1984Echoes

Bingo. And Funkhauser was a 4th.

This is the key. I see you also moved the goalposts since you realized Manning was not a top 5 1st rounder. But he's still draft and develop since he was so raw coming out of HS...

Yeah I saw the 7-1 shots on goal start... Must've deteriorated from there...

Ewww... maybe not such a good start after all... They're now down 2-0 with 2 minutes to go in the 1st period...

PS: Greiss is in goal tonight FYI.

That's Funny!!!

Correct. So we better hope this really is temporary and, during this winter (when the economy slows down naturally, at least a little bit), that inflation tempers relatively quickly. Personally, I still think this is an inflation blip due to restarting the economy from 20%-to-99% speed due to the pandemic. And things will get back to normal by March. Just in time for campaigning season...

Give me ONE top tier and... I won't worry about who ends up at the back end (5th starter) of the rotation. IE: Get me JV, and I'm happy.

Ned is just THAT good.

If no one else is starting this: Washington Capitals, 6-2-4, 2-1-1 AWAY ESPN+ 7:30 PM AT Detroit Red Wings, 7-5-2, 4-1-2 HOME

I think Faedo starts at AAA but ends up in Detroit's BP by mid-season June/July-ish... And dominates out of the BP...

I have a different short-cut, which is... IF you have a good Draft & Develop team: It may be possible to avoid my "second 10 years" for Model #1 (no championships but good for the prior decade; second decade = also-ran never making the playoffs, but trying with FA's or other methods.) By having some talented players coming up IF the farm system is maintained (not having top 10 1st rounders coming up but other prospects that were developed...), another pathway is provided to build serious play contending teams. But if a team is NOT good at drafting & developing, basically an empty farm system, then (A) IMO, there's no choice but to follow Model A in order to first repair the Farm System and then, hopefully, turn Model #2 into Model #1, or better... Including a Championship or two. But (B) An empty farm system means trying to maintain a playoff caliber team that no longer is playoff caliber, with nothing in the farm system to support being a playoff contender, is a fruitless and maddening exercise. With the most likely outcome a string of less than .500 teams, no years making the playoffs, and worse then losing 110 games each year for 5 years straight. Again, IMO. To me, it ALL depends on the farm system... if a team maintains it, it opens up multiple pathways, not just one (lose 110 games for 5 years straight to get a good team...). But if there's an empty farm system, I have no interest in trying to hunt 85 wins in a string of 75 win seasons. No thank you.

This. And by this, I mean playoff contender, NOT a middling 80 wins team every year that isn't good enough to make the playoffs. I mean a 90+ win team that makes the playoffs roughly 7 times out of 10 and just misses the other 3. With a championship or two tossed in there...

There's a problem with your model here... you haven't talked about the SECOND 10 years: - Model #1: team's stars age out or hit FA, and there's nothing left in the pipeline. Trying to maintain the "glory" of the past 10 years, this team signs some FA's to fill the gaps and try to continue winning like they did the past 10 years. But they don't. The FA's falter and the rest of the team is too old or just not good enough any more. In THESE 10 years: Model #1 team loses an average 87 games. A few seasons they get above .500 and threaten making the playoffs, but never quite get there. Their middling draft picks turn into average or less Major Leaguers, with several flopping out or just not making it at all to MLB. They go through 6 Manager changes in this decade trying to "find something", but never do. Their .463 winning percentage for the decade is admirable, as is their willingness to try to win... But it also becomes known in the team's lore as the "Lost Decade". - Model #2: In this decade, Model #2 becomes... Model #1. Averaging 95 wins in this decade though, Model #2 also wins another two Championships and makes another WS, losing to the dreaded Colorado Rockies. The only black spot in the decade for Model #2.

But hey... I'd take that if it meant good middle innings relief for the Tigers.

And an MLB middle reliever at best.

Can I get the 96-05 Braves PLUS the 2010 Royals? 10 competitive playoff-type years plus one Ring?

Yeah I know... But... I think there's a serious question right now on whether he can get back to that. Maybe I should have said "if Goff can't get back to doing that". Maybe that would have been a bit clearer... So... if he can't... On to "next".

Works for me. And if Goff can't do that... On to the next QB, whenever the team is ready to do that...

Good. Let's see what he can do.

Something that this country needs. But because there is a Dem Administration, the only thing that matters is a big F.U. to the Dems, forget what the country needs. I'm glad Upton had the balls to do the right thing, as well as all of the other Republican Senators and Congressman. That caller can go F himself. I am sick to death of these contemptable scumbags.

Pfife: ... some double standard where "F Biden" is condemned but "F Trump" is celebrated. ewsieg: ... yes, I did say that, because it's true. One of the ... 'truisms' where people on each side find themselves offended by one and proudly saying the other. An 84 comment: I won't claim innocence on this because I cannot. But let me restate that: Prior to the racist/ obstuctionist Tea Party Republicans (or any previous bigoted politicians - from any party), I never stated an F Republicans point of view. I voted Republican as recently as 2004. And prior. But Trump? Hell yes, F Trump. And THESE Republicans, yes, F Them. They are despicable, racist, ignorant, fascist retrogrades. But the thing is, for those establishment, ethical, non-racist conservatives, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those willing to work with others for the betterment of this country, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those who have some graciousness and honesty and integrity, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those conservatives who have actual plans/ policies to move this country forward into the future, instead of hanging onto a past that no longer exists or that needs to be transitioned away from in order to introduce the future USA, I do NOT have that sentiment. For those who follow the rule of law rather than trying to subvert the Constitutional Right of any voting age Americans to vote, I do NOT have that sentiment. Any fiscally conservative Republican who is also socially liberal... I do NOT have that sentiment. So... what Percent of the current Republican Party meets this definition? And for any Republican who is willing to subvert anyone's Constitutional right to vote, is unwilling to stand up to the Jan 6th Insurrection against the Constitution of the United States, is a straight up racist, liar, or unethical, or supports Trump... They can go F themselves. And F Trump. And... STILL Biden doesn't deserve an F Biden, nor did Obama deserve an F Obama. But I heard plenty of that during his 8 years. Mostly from my white trash bigoted family. So... you know what? F them too.

Obama tried as early as 2011 to push an Infrastructure Plan through Congress and the Tea Party Republicans said "F.U. You're a black (unspoken) Dem President so we don't give a F about the country... Partisan Republicans Only." Right?

Well... we'll see about that in the playoffs. In fact, that's probably the only thing that matters... from Stafford and the Rams' perspective.

As an aside: it was the Pope who authorized genocide. But your 90% was mostly due to disease. Not genocide.