1984Echoes

If you start out hot... There's usually nowhere to go except... down. The key to me, with regards to Wenceel, is... Where does he end up stabilizing? Which might take a long time to find out.

Junkballers can still be effective. I think one of the keys to me is... can he rub off on Mize? Whether that's by osmosis or by showing him different grips or how to be more effective with a subpar FB... If Mize could learn something from Maeda... Improve through his tutelage into a 3/4 starter that can carry a 1.15 WHIP - with the FB that he has - IMO... then that buys Maeda a seat at the table.

I should state this correctly: AVILA GEM KERRY CARPENTER with a 2-RUN HR!!!

And there we go! Kerry Carpenter 2-run HR = Bert's 6 runs!!!

A Tiger game is not a REAL Tiger game unless we get Bert's 6 runs...

Tork = K.

Still no outs and bases loaded... Tork batting. 3-0 Tigers at the moment...

HBP with bases loaded = run scored.

PS: I hope I didn't just jinx him...

An underrated pitcher. Career 1.15 WHIP. Pretty good. 1.17 WHIP last year. Pretty good. Gets his ass kicked every single April... as we've already seen. And then does really well for the rest of the season. This year, he already has game logs of: 6 inn's 1 ER, 6 inn's 1 ER, and 5 Inn's 0ER. Hmmm... and it appears he's not doing so badly today: 4 innings so far, 0 ER's.

I would actually be interested to know whether Ryan Vilade or Colt Keith can play 1st. Tork can go reset his bat in Toledo, along with Meadows... As long as 1 of Keith or Vilade can play 1st and the other can stay at 2B. Vilade is only 25... I'm interested in seeing what he could do with an extended run in MLB.

AVILA GEM COLT KEITH HITS FIRST MLB HOME RUN. WITH MANY MORE TO COME!!!

I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if Manning were able to go all out... for 1 inning per game (for the games he is put in...).

I have more confidence in Maeda than Manning. Manning's pretty close to my wanting to demote him to the bullpen.

WTF took you so long AJ? The only change I'd make would be to drop Tork to the 9th spot.

You seem pretty upset that I support a lot of our Tigers prospects or am interested in following them. Please put me on ignore and I'll do the same.

Wasn't it more than Kerry? Hasn't it also been Parker Meadows and Gage Workman who went outside the Org to get their swings/ stance fixed? I think it was even Carpenter's guy they went to...? With, ummm, mixed results I believe.

A-Hah! Now we're talking about Trump's Tax Cuts. Created annual $1 TRILLION deficits. Not billion. TRILLION. Did nothing or close to nothing for the middle class. The top 1% in this country? LINED their ****ing POCKETS with those tax cuts. Middle Class MAGA clamoring for more of the same? Too ****ing stupid to realize that REAL Republicans (those in the top 1% and trying to protect their top 1% from the proletariat rabble) are going to **** them in the ass again. Republicans: Cancel Biden's Infrastructure = **** the middle class (construction jobs/ engineers/ etc..) in the ass. Republicans: MESS with Social Security and Medicare = middle class gets ****ed in the ass again. Republicans: Make permanent the "middle class" tax cuts that are due to expire = these don't do **** for the middle class but they sure do help the top 1% line their pockets = middle class gets ****ed in the ass again. Republicans: The DEFICIT and the national debt is a PROBLEM so... They will find a way to TAX the MIDDLE CLASS. Middle class? ****ed again. Guaranteed. I'm sorry... but to me... the abject STUPIDITY LEVEL of MAGA is so ****ing far off the charts I just cannot ****ing believe that this is where we are.

100% And not just the pent up demand. The supply chains were not ready to go from 15% to 115% capacity when the pent up demand unleashed. That caused lots of logistical/ labor cost/ inflationary problems too. Not to mention, roughly 6 mill pre-Covid workers decided to retire post-Covid. Talk about putting pressure on labor costs. Good for workers' wages. Until the expected inflationary reaction to that, ate away at those wage gains... The short answer is: 100%

That works GREAT for fantasy if you can get him on the cheap.

Again, that was YOUR word, NOT mine. So yes... I used YOUR word to throw back a challenge. So forget YOUR word, genius. My word has ALWAYS and ONLY been CREDIT. Does Avila get credit for ANYTHING in your mind? Or NOTHING?

He started things. That needed starting. Full stop. He drafted quite a few MLB-quality prospects, and made some minor trades for same, and signed a couple internationals, same. Full stop. He hired Ryan Garko and AJ Hinch. Full stop. I don't see how you can give him a ZERO and not stoop to the barest of bottoms to say yeah, OK, he did that. That does NOT NEGATE the rest of your post.

Fine. Your refusal to answer any question I ask and your demand that I must answer your questions to your specific satisfaction says to me that you prefer to just blow me off. I've answered every single question you've ever asked of me. Maybe I didn't give you the answer you wanted... but I answered. I'm never answering another question you pose. Sorry.

I NEVER said Avila was a genius. That is YOUR word, not mine. Awesome mischaracterization.

Also... I have NOT stated he did a good job. In fact, I made a list of problems I had with him and stated these were why he should be fired. I think chas even helped out with a few. But I AM saying he should get credit where credit is due, instead of being **** on by people in here all the time. In fact... I think I accused chas of calling it an Avila "stench", but buddha, I think it was actually you who said the "stink of Avila"... correct me if I'm wrong. He gets credit for starting up analytics for the Tigers. Both the data system and the hiring of analytical minds. But he gets FAULT for being too slow, for being in over his head, for not knowing how to apply the analytics, and for slow-bringing in new hires that would fix this problem. He gets credit for finding talent internationally, or in the draft, even if he was not the guy who pulled the trigger. And for hiring the right guys that found or recommended or signed these players. He gets FAULT, again, for not hiring the right guys for multiple years in which most of the improvements in player acquisition were in the last couple years of his regime. Again, too late, too slow. He gets FAULT for NOT scouring the waiver wires trying to improve the bottom of the roster. Laziness? He gets FAULT for falling in love with his own players and not moving on after they've proved themselves inadequate. He gets FAULT for the crappy product on the field for the entirety of his regime. He gets fault for, simply put, just being NOT GOOD ENOUGH. He gets credit for smaller deals in which he brought in guys who at least have a chance to contribute, including Olson, Wentz, Candelario & Paredes. He gets FAULT for MUCKING up the bigger trades. He gets FAULT for (IMO) being GUN-SHY about any further big trades because he mucked up the first ones so badly. There's probably more but... I'm running out of gas and most of the additional listing would all be faults. As you can see... there's not a whole lot of credit in there. But our next contender, once Harris fixes everything Avila mucked up... will be about HALF Avila guys. On a WAG... Will Avila get credit for that. Or will people just continue to **** all over him and just deny the obvious. Asking for a friend.