Jason_R

Thank you. Campbell knows he has Goff for this season and next. He also knows Goff took a team to a Super Bowl... or maybe a team took Goff to the Super Bowl, but at least Goff held up his end of the bargain. Campbell needs to figure out whether they have to spend draft capital on a QB or whether they can get away with using their 1sts on defensive difference makers. He can't afford to have that assessment clouded by an OC that is working his own agenda.

It is not a realistic option for Campbell to take away play calling from Lynn then give it to another coach during the same season. This would create chaos among the coaching staff. As it is, Campbell decided that Lynn was not getting it done and took the job himself. Lynn may not like it, but at least Campbell was decisive. Lynn will keep his mouth shut so as not to get painted as selfish and hinder his job search. But if Campbell were to give play calling to someone else this season, every guy on the staff who thinks he should be calling plays would be lobbying for the role, and leaking to the media about the other guys. OMG it would be a massive disaster. It is worth noting that right now even Lynn is not bitching to the press. The most he has said is that he doesn't like it. That's it. There is dissension in a 1-11-1 locker room. This must be some kind of a record. And it is precisely because Campbell has NOT followed the advice of this board. And anyway, it is likely that Campbell took play calling because he wants to work closely with Goff to see what he can do and what he can't do. With Lynn or another OC in the middle, Campbell is not going to get immediate feedback from Goff. Now, they will watch tape together and Goff will tell Campbell why something worked or why it didn't, and it won't be Lynn or someone else saying the plays are great but Goff sucks.

Was that from the preseason? 😉

The realistic options this season are give the playcalling back to Lynn or let Campbell keep it. A bunch of people are knee jerk saying Campbell should give the play calling back. And yet the offense is working better with him calling the plays. Him retaining the playcalling is not a hard decision, and it shouldn’t be controversial to anyone paying attention. Next season is another story. I would prefer for him not to call plays because he still has a lot to learn. But if Campbell ends up calling the plays next season, he won’t be the only NFL head coach to do so. PS: If you are going to accuse someone of “poor logic,” don’t make up fake stats out of thin air to try to illustrate your point. A stunt like that only has a 4% chance of not looking hacky.

Interesting point. I’ll give it the thought it deserves.

Yes he is more successful at it than the previous guy was, so he needs to give it up. I follow you.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2021/12/08/lions-qb-jared-goff-nfc-offensive-player-week/6430847001/ Jared Goff named NFC Offensive Player of the Week. But Campbell needs to give up play calling.

Are we gonna see Brady v Belichick in the Super Bowl this year?

It reflects poorly on Lynn that his playcalling duties were taken away. Did he not honor Campbell’s demands about running the ball? Did he get off on the wrong foot with Goff? It also reflects well on Campbell that Lynn got outscored by an average of over 11 ppg as a play caller but under Campbell they have been outscored by a total of only two points in four games (0.5 ppg)… and in one of those games the team started David Blough. There is no comparison, and no Campbell should not give back playcalling duties That is literally crazy talk Yeah Lynn came here to rehabilitate himself but went off the reservation. Maybe he was calling games for his own interests and not according to Campbell’s orders. He got himself demoted as a result and now he’ll have to take a HC job in college if he wants that role again.

Seriously? The guy was a head coach last year who was 50/50 to get retained or get fired. An OC role is a backward step for him. Nobody paying attention would or should have expected that Lynn was any more than a one year stopgap coach to help stabilize Campbell before going to his next stop. When he (according to rumors) started butting heads with the QB — and getting bad results with him — he became expendable to Campbell. Also, note that Goff, under Campbell, has actually looked average and not awful like he did when Lynn was calling plays.

Evidently the narrative has now been set: Campbell is bad at clock management. Every decision he makes from here on out will be another data point to demonstrate that he is bad at clock management. Even if his decision works out, it will be attributed to luck or a mistake by the other coach. He will never again make a decision about managing the clock that the hive mind deems to be good.

Hats off to Dan Campbell. Got one on the board despite multiple miscues by Goff. Running game is no longer a liability even though their All Pro center is out for the season. They still have massive holes in their roster but Campbell got them in the W column.

For all the complaining about Campbell’s playcalling, Jared Goff had a passer rating of 121.8. Jared Goff! And he only took one sack and had one fumble, with no interceptions, which was his best performance this season in terms of minimizing disastrous plays.

I think the problem is that the guys with their panties in a bunch about Campbell are upset that some of the rest of us don’t have our panties in a bunch about him. The franchise gave a six year contract to a head coach who, for all intents and purposes, is a rookie. OK, that means they believe in him as a leader and are going to give him time to put a staff around himself and learn. Anyone who doesn’t get this is not paying attention That staff will almost certainly include a new OC, and that was obvious from the time he brought on a recently fired HC. Maybe Campbell wants to call the plays so he can think in more detail about what he wants from that role. (But I do hope some guys from the board here will scribble some plays on napkins and send them to Allen Park, then keep us posted on how that goes.) That staff may also include someone who handles game management. Anyway, I’m still not sure how many points people think Campbell left on the board with his unpardonable coaching blunders. But maybe he kept the Bears defense from clobbering Goff into additional turnovers by being conservative after the damaged OL backed the team up a few times 30+ yards behind the sticks. It is hard to come back from six holding penalties, especially when you have no WRs and your best RB is injured.

I didn’t say he is beyond criticism. I said your criticism of him is inane. Big difference.

“Free pass.” What do you propose to do? Burn some jerseys? Write a sternly worded letter? Draw and quarter him? Maybe you and TP want to script the first fifteen plays and get a hotline set up so you can advise him on his use of timeouts.

Another delusional fan who thinks the Lions would be playoff bound if only the coach would send five guys on deep pass routes every play. “tHe plAyCalliNg suX!” Everybody knew from the start that Campbell was an inexperienced coach. Everybody knew from the start that the roster is bereft of talent (and that was before Ragnow and Swift got injured). Everybody knew this team was going to be in the running for the first pick in the draft. They are right on schedule for that. There are no surprises.

They don’t trust Goff and they are calling a conservative game plan. Even so, the OL got six (I think) holding penalties and a handful of false starts. And Goff had a fumble as well. But yeah they should have been chucking it all around the yard. 🤦🏻‍♂️ This is not a good team. They do not have good players. Everyone is building for 2024, Campbell included.

Just based on his history as a head coach (who may just as easily have been retained by his previous team as let go) it seemed clear that he was hoping to be with Detroit for a bounce back season, then to move back to a head coaching role. In the meantime, it seemed clear that Campbell prized his head coaching experience and his ability to mentor some of the young coaching prospects the team had attracted. Alas, it doesn't seem to be working out the way anyone expected.

Yes, thank you. Everybody knew after Tweedledum and Tweedledee left that the team was going to be a disaster, especially after Stafford begged out. There was some optimism that Goff would be adequate, but here we are. There is a reason Campbell got a six year contract. It is a massive rebuild, and with a six year deal, they are promising him at least four years to get the team in playoff shape. He will need it. It is not a good look for Anthony Lynn to get play calling duties revoked, but I would bet money that this is something that Campbell and Spielman talked about extensively before it happened.

I can't wait to not watch today's game.

I wonder if anyone has ever told him that he can "climb the ladder" in the pocket.

LOLOLOL!!! Of course he missed it. But now... WTF... Is Pittsburgh trying to lose?

On second thought, 1.6 YPA is... no that is as bad as it looks.

113 rushing yards. When is the last time we saw that in a half of football? 11 passing yards. When is the last time we saw that in a half of football? Geez, in today's NFL, you have to be bad bad bad only to muster 11 passing yards in a half.