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I am also wondering what his best position defensively is long term. Doesn't seem like a good fit to have him guarding opposing teams point guards. There are too many good ball handlers in this league. At some point, the Pistons may have to find a quicker guard to start next to Cade and Ivey so they have a chance of stopping teams defensively.

That's what you give him till next year. But if Saddiq/Stewart in year four, Cade in year three, and Ivey/Duren in year two still yields one of the worst teams in the league, that is not a good sign.

I do love when Saddiq starts gunning. When you are down big, he lets loose. But he should be doing at the beginning of games. A Saddiq three is a better shot for this team than most anything else we can get on offense. 10 three attempts per game for Saddiq is not too much.

Some of these calls are pretty weak. Cade went strait up and got called for the foul and now the same thing happened to Stewart.

Any GM can accumulate talent with enough lottery picks. Building a winning team is what matters.

Plus/Minus can be very flukey. I will say though you never have to worry about Cade not playing hard on defense. Give him credit for that.

I'll give Weaver till next year but at some point, he needs to be held responsible. Killian is a bust. Our bench is awful. Noel and Bagley are not going to help the shooting problem this team has. I am not going to criticize him for Cade if he doesn't become what many thought but at some point, you just have to hold the guy in charge of constructing the team accountable. If we are one of the 5 worst teams three years in a row, that's a problem.

Even with Bey and Bogdanovic being good shooters, it still feels like our starting lineup lacks shooting because Ivey and Cade are probably going to shoot a low percentage this year.

I think Ivey's defensive issues are more than effort and youth. He really struggles to move laterally.

Are the Knicks going to score 70 this half?

Even knowing we are bad going into the season, it does not make this any easier to watch. The Pistons have been bad for a long time now. Cade's a second year player and the slow start is frustrating.

Ivey with three bad plays in a row. Turnover, leave Rose open for three, turnover.

Diallo is mentally broke right now. His free throw attempts look awful.

That's what I am wondering. It seems like Casey is willing to let this game get away from us also. Could bring Ivey back to try and stop this run but not doing it.

I feel like there are very few players who misuse their talent more than Saddiq. He passes up open threes all the time for dribble drives he is just not that good at.

Cade will be the guy in the 4th quarter but Jaden Ivey feels a lot closer to the point guard of this team then Cade. He has an aggressiveness about him early in the games that is much needed.

I didn't realize Banchero had 27 points until looking at the box score after the game. Seemed like a quiet 27. I don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Orlando's issue right now is their bench. If you are playing Caleb Houstan 22 minutes, you got problems.

Duren was the story tonight for me. Losing Bagley may really expedite his development. You see why many thought he was a top 5 pick when he was in high school. Playing one year at Memphis should not have dropped him to 13 overall. Also, it is noteworthy that Cade had no fouls after picking up two in the first quarter and three turnovers is acceptable also. Only 12 for the team. That is a big reason the Pistons won.

Agree on Ivey. I don't expect him to shoot well from the perimeter this year but it is going to be hard for him not to be a star on offense by year two or three just from his explosiveness. He missed some bunnies tonight he will usually make. The question I have is how much will he commit himself to defense. Is he going to be a star on offense and a liability on defense or will he put the effort in on both ends?

Orlando made the right play I think leaving Stew in that crucial situation and he made them pay.

I was thinking because of the free throw shooting but isn't there some type of rule now you can't foul guys under 2 minutes?

Saddiq needs some of Bogdanovic's confidence.

Just looked up Suggs stats because I didn't think was supposed to be a good shooter and he shot 21% last year on 4 attempts per game.

Even though the offense is lacking and frustrating at times, Cade has had a really nice half on defense.

That was a knock on him coming out of college. Not sure if it is an effort issue or a quickness issue. Obviously, he is lightning in transition so you would think he would have at least decent lateral quickness.