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Craig all over the pitching in previewing Tigers Live... as expected

What fans? There's like 20 people there tonight lol

Congrats to the As, who have found an offense worse than theirs right now lol

Glad that wins and losses don't matter anymore, because Big Mike doesn't deserve the L for this crap...

Well Baez can still field!

Lol, this team makes me want to drink

Not sure what more Big Mike could do in this one... can't win if you don't score runs lol

Typical Big Mike outing... should be enough for a competent offense

No need for a pitch clock with this O lol

All eye-test, but Schoop seems to be hitting the ball a lot harder the past 3-4 games, largely without reward

They have had a couple tonight... but for the most part you are right

The decision to pick up Blackburn in Fantasy is holding up well thus far lol

You say that as if it's a bad thing lol

It says a lot about what they think of Daz Cameron as well.

Cant believe I'm saying this, but Victor Reyes can't get back soon enough... yikes!

lol

If someone presented me this screen shot a month ago, I'd assume the Tigers would smoke them... Now I'm wondering if they can win a game this series haha

My guess is something like Faedo for 27th man (again), Bullpen day Wednesday (which Rony supplements), then Rony down whenever Victor Reyes is ready to be activated. I don't care for it mostly because, again, it leaves the bench short on competent outfielders.

I hope this doesn't mean that Rony Garcia gets the start for a Wednesday bullpen game.

"Why not both" is probably the easy answer. But if I had to pick one, probably that they aren't great at improving and developing the talent they draft.

I get it, just thinking more about how this conversation got started within the context of blame/credit that AJ Hinch gets when things are going well or poorly with this team. To me, it's one of these situations where Al, clearly, has done a bad job running this organization *and* AJ Hinch, while a successful manager that the organization is lucky to have, is also human and makes mistakes within the context of his job. Both of these things can be concurrently true and are not necessarily contradictory. In terms of this organization, just purely looking at it, I don't know that its the worst farm system in MLB and is probably closer to middle of pack than the worst. The problem is that, aside from the high draft picks, the talent that they have in the upper levels tends to be pitching. And yeah, I believe that's real.... there's a question of how successful some of these guys will ultimately be, but Manning, Brieske, Faedo, Olson, Garrett Hill, etc., all these guys are capable of being major leaguers imo. And some of the individual drafts returns have been Godawful, 2017 being one of the better examples where the grand sum of major league talent produced outside of Round 1 is Will Vest (iirc). Maybe that's gotten better over time (we'll see, they did produce Skubal and Brieske and Colt Keith looks like he could be something), but after five years of a rebuild, it's seems unthinkable to have a farm system that is so lacking from a position player perspective.. when you look on the infield and outfield, there's just not much depth. Fans have every right to be angry about that. Where they go from here, IDK.... I did mention in the other thread that I was skeptical that they would do the kind of reorg that they did if they were parting company with Avila, but nonetheless I have no choice but to see if some of the folks that they have hired and systems they have implemented can at least help turn things around or even help some players that are currently in the system. As much as I would love to, this is the team I grew up rooting for and I'm gonna continue to do so.... as much as I sometimes wish I grew up a Dodger fan lol.

Is there anyone here who actually believes or who is arguing that Avila has done a good job as GM? The conversation overall about the failures of player development for the Tigers is an interesting one, but it also feels like we're taking baseball bats to Strawmen here.

Matches my experience as well. And even in well established practices, every project is different, there are differing variables that have to be taken into account. And you aren't gonna be able to spreadsheet your way into an answer in every instance.... engineering judgment is involved. No different with baseball, one can imagine. But at the end of the day, quantitative data is great, especially when you have easy access to it (as MLB managers / front offices have, and even fans for that matter with Baseball Savant). But it's far more useful when synthesized with qualitative analysis as well... the eye test still matters.