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Basically correct. I don't think the average person is thinking about the big debates on policy - they are looking at the COVID situation and aren't thrilled. It's not good if you're in a position of power - as other leaders in the free world could attest right now as well. A lot of his standing comes down to the COVID situation and inflation.... assuming no additional variants, COVID is probably the first kidney stone to pass. Inflation is a bit trickier.... there's a lot of belief among economists that we may be close to the peak. If not, the midterms will be rough.

I mean, Biden's drop in approval during his first year in office isn't too far off Trump's during 2017. But as with Trump, a drop in approval doesn't necessarily mean that voters wouldn't vote for them again.

A lot of this harkens back to the debates Eric and I would have during the Trump administration about how his actions should be judged. Just like how Trump's behavior shouldn't lower expectations or cause him to be graded on a curve versus other Presidents, Fox and it's employees shouldn't be judged on lower expectations or graded on a curve either based on the expectations that they don't pretend to be fair. That's not to say that CNN shouldn't be criticized either, they absolutely should when they screw things up.... I don't have any love for them. But a lot of this "CNN holds themselves to a higher standard, therefore I'm gonna criticize them more harshly" stuff nets out as letting Fox off the hook for it's own indiscretions IMO.

That's not how the real world works. Both of them should be fired.

Of course, after this weekend, the Lions may be the only ones extending a hypothetical "last playoff win" chart....

I could see that. But my counter would be that Donald Trump was (still is) far more influential, since he was President, which raises the stakes for Hannity's actions to be above that of Chris Cuomo/Andrew Cuomo. Put another way, I have a lot more interest in Trump because I was a constituent of his. Whereas, since I don't live in NY, not so much with Cuomo.

No more than 100000 cases... probably closer to 60000.

Also, not "everyone on this site" loves CNN or MSNBC. I dont watch either one, nor do I read their articles. I know Tater framed the debate, but at the end of the day, this debate over which one is worse is like arguing whether dying by lightning strike or shark attack is worse. Seems like both suck.

They are also taking a beating in the courts, given the some $4 billion in libel lawsuits they are tied up in

This picture is exactly what I'm getting at. You don't see many people wearing these shirts obviously, but a short jaunt down one's Facebook account reveals a lot of opinions where one is really questioning the strength of civic society.

Really. I'm sure the board's resident Canadian and the most civil member of this board are "working against the US" by happening to have similar opinions. Jesus, give it a rest.

Also, there is nothing wrong with criticizing government officials or government policy. Hell, I see that every single day from Republicans toward the current administration. It doesn't make people "anti-American". What worries me though is that, unlike the past, people don't drop their sabers on things of collective interest in the way they did in the past. Today it's the virus, but what happens if we end up in a shooting war? That's what Rob was getting at in his post about rations, and just when I take a look at social media, it just seems to me like partisans (yes Archie, including conservatives) seem to hate people on the opposite side of the political debate more than they hate our actual adversaries or more than they hate a deadly virus. I don't think it's as bad off line, but on the internet? Everything is just toxic as hell.

Definitely, they have a long way to go, but the turnaround in terms of locker room morale pushes his B into the B+/A- category. They may have sucked, and he himself may still have some learning to do as a coach, but it's hard to recall a time when the Lions have gotten those types of efforts late in the midst of a lost season. It's raised my eyebrows a bit.

I think you misunderstand my point completely. I'm not talking about criticizing American policy or it's elected officials. That's been going on since the start. I'm referring to the fact that, at least if social media is the barometer, there is very that binds Americans together anymore. Conservatives appear to hate liberals more than they hate actual hostile foreign actors (Russia, China, etc.), and liberals just hate on conservatives like that as well. And the elected officials you refer to (ie. the MTGs and Ted Cruz' of the world) are more than happy to egg it on and divide.

Come on. Let's not act like they were ever held to much of a high standard back during the "fair and balanced" days.

I think when you take Hannity's role on 1/6 and consider it in the context of all the lies told on Fox News about the last election, as well as the fact that the network is currently tied up in close to $4bil in libel lawsuits involving the last election, it all seems pretty fucking bad

I mean, the fact that Fox News is currently party in a multiple multibillion dollar libel lawsuits involving the previously election is a pretty significant difference as well.

I agree, I don't think it would happen. The fact that Americans view fellow Americans who disagree with them as bigger adversaries than our actual foreign adversaries or a deadly virus is telling.

The squawking about comorbidities is pretty insulting to anyone with the least bit of intellectual curiosity. Especially assuming, especially with the issues you raise being pretty prominent in American society, most Americans have at least one comorbidity, if not multiple. But it's yet another example of how blind partisanship just drives the narrative.

Sudafed AM/PM for me

I hate to be this guy, but I'd probably want to see more polling before being too happy about this one. Although I do think the idea that Whitmer maybe a stronger incumbent than has been assumed by national figures is plausible.

Most firings make sense, this one doesn't.

Dan Campbell: Grizzled NFC North Vet lol