RedRamage Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Found this on facebook: I don't know if they are taking team need into account or strictly how the player has done. I think Sewell has been great for us, but if you're arguing team need, the yeah CB has been a weak spot the last couple of years while OL has been the strong spot so Surtain may have been a bigger impact player. Either way they "re-drafted Sewell" just two spot later so they're certainly not trying to say that Sewell was a back pick there. I have no idea what's going on with pick #12... apparently we traded up? Is so, why are they listing J. Williams (Javonte Williams?) as the original pick there? The biggest point in the Lions favor though is pick #10. ARSB moves all the way up from the 4th round to a top 10, 1st round pick. Right now it's hard to argue that this is the best pickup of the Holmes era in terms of production vs. draft round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaki Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 In terms of production...Sun God is probably the most productive Holmes pick regardless of position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) I don't think they would change a thing. It was Sewell back then, it would be Sewell today. People forget he's only 22 years old. He'll likely be our franchise LT for at least two contracts after Decker's deal expires, and it's not an exaggeration to say he has Hall of Fame potential if he can keep his upward trajectory going. Edited June 27, 2023 by MichiganCardinal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I think this graphic is combining 2021 and 2022 somehow, with us taking Jameson Williams a year early. High quality journalism there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruzer1 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 This is so bad, I think they meant Jameson, which was our 12 pick last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I think the only two players I would take over Sewell in that draft are Lawrence and Parsons. Perhaps Chase as well but I think having another elite o lineman is more important to us than an elite WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 47 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: I think this graphic is combining 2021 and 2022 somehow, with us taking Jameson Williams a year early. High quality journalism there. Error from the original draft: Williams inserted at 12, Vera-Tucker missing at 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 36 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I think the only two players I would take over Sewell in that draft are Lawrence and Parsons. Perhaps Chase as well but I think having another elite o lineman is more important to us than an elite WR. i think lawrence, parsons, and chase. sewell has been really good and is very young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I think part of the reason why Sewell isn't higher is because he hasn't excelled at left tackle yet. I believe Darrisaw played the left side so he gets the bump up. That was just a beast of a draft though so hard to really complain about the rankings. That class could wind up with 10 Hall of Famers potentially. Speak about how good Holmes drafting is, and I know it's early, but it could be argued that he pulled three 1st rounders in a 2022 re-draft with Hutch, Houston and Joseph. Rodrigo goes a lot higher too. The man is a drafting savant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, NYLion said: I think part of the reason why Sewell isn't higher is because he hasn't excelled at left tackle yet. I believe Darrisaw played the left side so he gets the bump up. That was just a beast of a draft though so hard to really complain about the rankings. That class could wind up with 10 Hall of Famers potentially. Speak about how good Holmes drafting is, and I know it's early, but it could be argued that he pulled three 1st rounders in a 2022 re-draft with Hutch, Houston and Joseph. Rodrigo goes a lot higher too. The man is a drafting savant. I'm really intrigued to see what Houston can do in a full season of work. He played like a top ten pick in the stretch of last season. Is that sustainable? I think part of his success was because the opposing game plan against our d-line was to just eliminate Hutch. With Harris and both Okwaras out, we really had nothing on the other side of Hutch until Houston came onto the scene. That said, you don't record 8 sacks and 12 tackles in 7 games without some real talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djhutch Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I'm really intrigued to see what Houston can do in a full season of work. He played like a top ten pick in the stretch of last season. Is that sustainable? I think part of his success was because the opposing game plan against our d-line was to just eliminate Hutch. With Harris and both Okwaras out, we really had nothing on the other side of Hutch until Houston came onto the scene. That said, you don't record 8 sacks and 12 tackles in 7 games without some real talent. I hope Houston can replicate that - though I wonder if the fact that Hutch was commanding double-teams helped him greatly. Of course, if they don't double Hutch this year, his numbers will likely improve too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I don't think Houston is going to average over a sack a game like he did last year but I think he can certainly be a regular double digit guy in this league just due to the moves and explosiveness you saw from him. Also although he only went to JSU so didn't play the top competition he dominated there though so for essentially his whole football career he has dominated guys so between that, the stuff you see on tape and his physical attributes it's hard to find a real reason why he shouldn't be good other than just that he was a late round pick and they normally don't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I don't think Houston is going to average over a sack a game like he did last year but I think he can certainly be a regular double digit guy in this league just due to the moves and explosiveness you saw from him. Also although he only went to JSU so didn't play the top competition he dominated there though so for essentially his whole football career he has dominated guys so between that, the stuff you see on tape and his physical attributes it's hard to find a real reason why he shouldn't be good other than just that he was a late round pick and they normally don't pan out. I think the question would be whether NFL defenses, with an offseason of preparation and a handful of games of tape on him, can scheme against him. He caught the league by storm last year, and I don't think he will catch the Chiefs or Seahawks napping in weeks one and two. I think there will be schemed answers for him, but only to an extent. I think opponents will struggle to scheme against preventing both sides of the line (Hutch and Houston/Okwara/Harris) from getting home. We will probably see Hutch have some weeks where he is held off of the stat line while Houston gets multiple QB hits, and vice versa. And a few wonderful weeks where they are both wreaking havoc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYLion Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said: I'm really intrigued to see what Houston can do in a full season of work. He played like a top ten pick in the stretch of last season. Is that sustainable? I think part of his success was because the opposing game plan against our d-line was to just eliminate Hutch. With Harris and both Okwaras out, we really had nothing on the other side of Hutch until Houston came onto the scene. That said, you don't record 8 sacks and 12 tackles in 7 games without some real talent. It's definitely not sustainable, he was pacing for the all time sacks record, but if you watch his film and really break it down, he made plays in a variety of ways which makes me think that at least his pass rushing ability is legit. Whether or not he becomes more than just a 3rd down NASCAR package specialist remains to be seen but what we saw last year even in a one dimensional capacity was incredible. Honestly, his upside is enormous when you see how many moves he actually has, very Von Miller-esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger2022 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 6/27/2023 at 9:59 AM, RandyMarsh said: I think the only two players I would take over Sewell in that draft are Lawrence and Parsons. Perhaps Chase as well but I think having another elite o lineman is more important to us than an elite WR. I wouldn't take Parsons because the career of a pass rusher isn't as long as that of an elite OLineman. If you are talking about what they have done so far, sure, but long term, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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