The Gaza War

[Motown Bombers]

34 minutes ago, chasfh said:

So, five years ago. At least you're getting a little closer to the present day.

But is Bernie really is your idea of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left you are basically claiming is on the precipice of bringing down the entire Democratic Party?

Setting aside whether I agree with your characterizations of some of the six congressional reps you named as being part of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left, we're talking about 1.5 million votes cast for them in the general election out of almost 71 million votes cast for Democrats. That comes out to 2% of all Democratic votes. Two percent of voters are going to destroy the Democratic party and its traditional brand of center-left liberalism? Seriously? And your highlighting candidates of that ilk who actually lost their primaries—who never even got to the general election in the first place—weakens your case even further.

In the meantime, at least a third of all Republican voters cast their ballots for nihilist MAGA christofascists dedicated to literally destroying democracy in this country basically because it does not comport with what their preachers tell them an ancient book of anthology says. That's a third versus two percent, which is roughly a 16:1 ratio. How on earth is that even close to being equivalent?

You are way, way, way overblowing the danger of the Jew-hating Free Palestine far left to the Democratic Party. Which basically makes you the Bill Maher of this forum. 😉

I mean, Bernie Sanders has been elected and has been in congress for about 35 years. He even convinced the DNC to change how they award delegates. You continue to ignore the fact that I have said repeatedly this extreme left movement is around where the Tea Party was at in 2008. How many Tea Party members were actually in congress in 2008? I remember a lot of them being defeated that wouldn't be defeated today. At this point, it must be intentional. For someone who constantly sounded the alarm on the rise in the far right, it's fascinating you just downplay and ignore the rise of the far left. 

BTW that 2% of voters you minimize is the difference between Harris being president and Trump being president. 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Here's 10 million more recently. I'm even being generous not including Warren.

What's wild is Bernie Sanders says this election he lost by nearly 10 million votes was rigged. 

Off the top of my head: Tlaib, Pressley, Omar, AOC, Jayapal, and Khanna. Ones that got defeated in primaries: Busch, Bowman and Levin. Losers who still got a lot of votes: Beto, Castro. 

You ignore the fact I said the far left isn't as far along as the current MAGA movement. We are at 2008 level Tea Party. The worst part is that these people have influence and are more interested in rat****ing the party than actually winning elections. 

For me, the fact that Duggan is running away from the Democratic Party is probably plenty of 'canary in the coal mine' for anyone looking at the health of the democratic party.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

For me, the fact that Duggan is running away from the Democratic Party is probably plenty of 'canary in the coal mine' for anyone looking at the health of the democratic party.

Duggan knows he can't beat Benson in a primary. Just two years ago Dems swept Michigan. Slotkin still won last year. Democrats have been over performing consistently since 2016 but we are told how the party needs to change and adapt. Duggan being a rat****er is no canary in the coal mine. 

[Motown Bombers]

What I like is John James has lost twice, but instead of leaving the party and running as an independent, he just doubles down on MAGA and runs a third time. Dems hold all statewide offices in Michigan, but because Trump won a small victory in Michigan, the health of the party is now in jeopardy. Dems need to STFU and quit apologizing. Biden is already ranked as the 14th best president and had one of the most progressive terms since Johnson and Dems constantly run and hide from it. No matter how terrible Trump's agenda is, Republicans never apologize for it. 

[oblong]

Duggan will hand over the governor's office to the GOP.  And I'm sure his grifting took a pause during his mayoral term so he'll continue on with the legacy of the McNamara Machine as the caretaker of that.  

[gehringer_2]

8 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Duggan knows he can't beat Benson in a primary. Just two years ago Dems swept Michigan. Slotkin still won last year. Democrats have been over performing consistently since 2016 but we are told how the party needs to change and adapt. Duggan being a rat****er is no canary in the coal mine. 

1 minute ago, oblong said:

Duggan will hand over the governor's office to the GOP.  And I'm sure his grifting took a pause during his mayoral term so he'll continue on with the legacy of the McNamara Machine as the caretaker of that.  

2+2=

[Motown Bombers]

This is like when Sinema became an independent and Democrats went on to win every election in Arizona. 

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This is like when Sinema became an independent and Democrats went on to win every election in Arizona. 

well here's hoping. If Detroit voters don't show up for the Dems with Duggan on the ballot, it's not going to be pretty.

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

2+2=

"?" , at least that's what the Bob Seger System taught me.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

"?" , at least that's what the Bob Seger System taught me.

I may get my Michigander card revoked - I absolutely never knew that track was Seger.

Edited May 27 by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

well here's hoping. If Detroit voters don't show up for the Dems with Duggan on the ballot, it's not going to be pretty.

Whitmer, Benson and Nessel all would have still won in 2022 if you removed all of Wayne County from their vote totals. 

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Whitmer, Benson and Nessel all would have still won in 2022 if you removed all of Wayne County from their vote totals. 

That's interesting  to know -  I wouldn't have guessed it. How the heck does MI elect 7 GOP House members while Dems are winning statewide without Wayne county? Voters are bizarre, it's no wonder US politics is screwed up - it's us.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

That's interesting  to know -  I wouldn't have guessed it. How the heck does MI elect 7 GOP House members while Dems are winning statewide without Wayne county? Voters are bizarre, it's no wonder US politics is screwed up - it's us.

Whitmer won Macomb County by 5%, but Marlinga lost by 0.5%. Dems abandoned this district, Stevens and Levin fought for MI-11, and Marlinga had no funding and was going up against a well funded and more known John James. It still bothers me Dems just let James win. 

[ewsieg]

20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I may get my Michigander card revoked - I absolutely never knew that track was Seger.

Yup, sounds completely different from his later stuff.  My guess is most Michiganders don't even know the song so I think you're still good.

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

I mean, Bernie Sanders has been elected and has been in congress for about 35 years. He even convinced the DNC to change how they award delegates. You continue to ignore the fact that I have said repeatedly this extreme left movement is around where the Tea Party was at in 2008. How many Tea Party members were actually in congress in 2008? I remember a lot of them being defeated that wouldn't be defeated today. At this point, it must be intentional. For someone who constantly sounded the alarm on the rise in the far right, it's fascinating you just downplay and ignore the rise of the far left. 

BTW that 2% of voters you minimize is the difference between Harris being president and Trump being president. 

Two percent of voters is not going to destroy an entire political party—not even the Democratic Party. 

Please let's stop pretending that the far left is just as dangerous as the far right, because the numbers just aren't there. And not only is it not similar in scope, it's not even similar in kind. I'll start to consider they are equivalent in kind when far leftists storm the Capitol, threaten lawmakers' lives, kill Capitol cops, and then all get pardoned by a far leftist Democratic president.

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Two percent of voters is not going to destroy an entire political party—not even the Democratic Party. 

Please let's stop pretending that the far left is just as dangerous as the far right, because the numbers just aren't there. And not only is it not similar in scope, it's not even similar in kind. I'll start to consider they are equivalent in kind when far leftists storm the Capitol, threaten lawmakers' lives, kill Capitol cops, and then all get pardoned by a far leftist Democratic president.

So it's ok to say elections you lost were rigged without evidence as long as they don't storm the capitol? 

Once again, I never said they are as dangerous right now as the far right. You constantly choose to ignore that. 

Edited May 27 by Motown Bombers

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

So it's ok to say elections you lost were rigged without evidence as long as they don't storm the capitol? 

Once again, I never said they are as dangerous right now as the far right. You constantly choose to ignore that. 

Lets be fair here though - are you comparing apple to oranges? I don't remember Bernie's complaint in 2016 being that elections were not honest, but that the overall delegate selection process put him behind the eight ball to Clinton before the process even started. To me that's a complaint that the rules were not fair, not that the rules were broken (which is what Trump claims across the board when he loses), and those are two different things. The rules, whether Bernie liked them them or not, were the result of a legitimate intraparty process. The rules may indeed have been created to bias the party toward Clinton, but that was ultimately the party's prerogative - primaries are a party process.

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Lets be fair here though - are you comparing apple to oranges? I don't remember Bernie's complaint in 2016 being that elections were not honest, but that the overall delegate selection process put him behind the eight ball to Clinton before the process even started. To me that's a complaint that the rules were not fair, not that the rules were broken (which is what Trump claims across the board when he loses), and those are two different things. The rules, whether Bernie liked them them or not, were the result of a legitimate intraparty process. The rules may indeed have been created to bias the party toward Clinton, but that was ultimately the party's prerogative - primaries are a party process.

Bernie Sanders has said all the Democratic primaries since 2012 have been rigged. He literally still says that today. Again, Bernie Sanders lost by 3.7 million votes to Hillary. It wasn't because of a bias in rules which were changed in 2020 to appease him and he still lost and said it's rigged. 

[Motown Bombers]

This piece of **** literally said a week ago Democrats are a threat to democracy and elections he lost by millions of votes were not fair elections. **** him and everybody who supports this asshole.

 

[CMRivdogs]

2 hours ago, ewsieg said:

Yup, sounds completely different from his later stuff.  My guess is most Michiganders don't even know the song so I think you're still good.

I had to look it up. The only thing I remember off the album was Ramblin Gambling Man.

Then again I’m not a native, 

[oblong]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

Let’s be fair here though - are you comparing apple to oranges? I don't remember Bernie's complaint in 2016 being that elections were not honest, but that the overall delegate selection process put him behind the eight ball to Clinton before the process even started. To me that's a complaint that the rules were not fair, not that the rules were broken (which is what Trump claims across the board when he loses), and those are two different things. The rules, whether Bernie liked them them or not, were the result of a legitimate intraparty process. The rules may indeed have been created to bias the party toward Clinton, but that was ultimately the party's prerogative - primaries are a party process.

Right. It’s like complaining the elections are rigged because of the electoral college.  It becomes semantics.  Rigged or unfair?  Those mean different things and one can say it’s unfair but not rigged. 

[Motown Bombers]

Bernie Sanders lost his last primary by 10 million votes. Dems complain they can't reach young men, so they put an 83 year old on a podcast listened to by young men who agrees with the host that the Democratic Party is a threat to Democracy and his elections have not been fair, the ones he lost by nearly 4 and 10 million votes. Some find that funny. 

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

So it's ok to say elections you lost were rigged without evidence as long as they don't storm the capitol? 

Once again, I never said they are as dangerous right now as the far right. You constantly choose to ignore that. 

I have “constantly [chosen] to ignore that” because even though you haven’t said that in exactly as many words, you have been constantly implying as much with nearly every post you’ve posted, elevating Jew-hating Free Palestine extremists to a status equivalent to the actual dangerous numerous MAGA far right. Even now you are not saying in so many words that they are not as dangerous or as numerous as the MAGA far right—but you are implying it. And just like your prior implications, that’s good enough for me.

You can continue elevating them to that level if you like. It’s a free country. But it’s going to look weird when you do, based on your implication that they are not as dangerous.

[Motown Bombers]

On 5/23/2025 at 9:39 AM, Motown Bombers said:

The extreme left is the Tea Party circa 2008. It hasn't advanced to the stage of MAGA right now. You do have prominent people in congress on the left who want to eliminate Israel and say elections were rigged. Democrats need to end this instead of letting it take over the party. Biden started to cater to the extreme left and absolutely got crushed by it. 

 

28 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I have “constantly [chosen] to ignore that” because even though you haven’t said that in exactly as many words, you have been constantly implying as much with nearly every post you’ve posted, elevating Jew-hating Free Palestine extremists to a status equivalent to the actual dangerous numerous MAGA far right. Even now you are not saying in so many words that they are not as dangerous or as numerous as the MAGA far right—but you are implying it. And just like your prior implications, that’s good enough for me.

You can continue elevating them to that level if you like. It’s a free country. But it’s going to look weird when you do, based on your implication that they are not as dangerous.

I literally said exactly that. I literally said Dems need to put a stop to it before it gets to the level of MAGA. I was very clear, you're just intentionally mischaracterizing what I said. I don't know how to make this anymore clear to you.  It's a free country, you can continue to ignore what I have been saying and falsely infer what I'm implying.

[1984Echoes]

On 5/8/2025 at 12:02 PM, chasfh said:

Remember: not a genocide...

Sinwar has been killed in Israel's latest military campaign to retrieve their still-kidnapped citizens and to kill Hamas terrorists in Gaza in order to prevent future recurrences of the Hamas-wrought murder and mayhem of October 7th, 2023:

Netanyahu says Israel killed elusive Hamas leader Mohammed Sinwar in recent Gaza strike

 

Mohammed Sinwar: Netanyahu says Israel killed elusive Hamas leader | CNN