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7 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Tucker was one of the worst kickers in the NFL last year. Only Jake Moody and Dustin Hopkins had a worse FG% with 25+ attempts.

They'll release him because it kills two birds with one stone. They can claim a holier than thou position on the conversation (even though if the accusations had come out a year ago they'd have been the first to call for a hold on judgement). And then they can try to recoup money, despite him being under a large contract (for a kicker) through 2027. Win-win for the Ravens, even though they're no better than the rest.

This is also the same team that suspended Ray Rice for only two games until the video leaked. 

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On 2/2/2025 at 12:21 PM, Sports_Freak said:

At this point if I'm a massage therapist or a major sports athlete I'm demanding video surveillance during appts. 

If I'm the therapist and you're not comfortable with the video whenever we're in the room together, I'm not comfortable working with you. I'm just going to assume that you're expecting/hoping for more than just a massage. And yes, I'm sure there are some therapists who would put up with a bit of inappropriate behavior from the athlete with the idea that the could score a settlement later, but I don't think that's the normal situation. I think most would prefer to just do their job.

If I'm the player and you're not comfortable with the video whenever we're together then I'm worried that you might be trying to make a case against me at a later date. And yes, I'm sure there are some athletes who ARE hoping for something more than just a simple massage, but at this point if you go to a massage hoping for that and being okay with that you are seriously opening yourself up for major trouble in the future. There are plenty of safer ways to get that specific "treatment." 

I have no idea if this is a guy hoping for some "extra" service or if this is a group of women working together for an extra payday. Personally I'm probably leaning towards the former but I don't want to make too strong a stand until we know more details... if we'll ever know more details.

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On 2/2/2025 at 5:56 PM, Motor City Sonics said:

Also, no reason that there should not be a visible line on the field that the players can see.

I wonder if a visible line with influence spotting the ball? I mean, this assumes that refs aren't already influenced by where they THINK the line is, but if you physically see the line when you're about to put down the ball, might this make a ref adjust slightly if he ran out there thinking: "Yes they got it. " or "Oh, they stopped him short!" 

Just thinking out loud here, not saying the refs are intentionally cheating or that they don't already have biases in spotting the ball. I just wonder if there's be situations where the ref runs out there with his eye on a spot and thinks it's a 1st down, but then sees the spot is just short and his eye unconsciously nudges a bit over?

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On 2/2/2025 at 8:05 PM, Motown Bombers said:

This is also the same team that suspended Ray Rice for only two games until the video leaked. 

I can't remember the details on this... did they have the video before it was leaked? 

Was this a case of: "Well, he said 'x', she said 'y', weren't not sure which is true, but we know something bad happened, so 2 game suspension" but then they see the video and it's 'y' so whoops... bigger suspension incoming.

Or was it a case of "Holy **** that's bad, but the public hasn't seen it, so we're just gonna give two games and hope that makes everyone happy."

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6 hours ago, RedRamage said:

At this point if I'm a massage therapist or a major sports athlete I'm demanding video surveillance during appts. 

If I'm the therapist and you're not comfortable with the video whenever we're in the room together, I'm not comfortable working with you. I'm just going to assume that you're expecting/hoping for more than just a massage. And yes, I'm sure there are some therapists who would put up with a bit of inappropriate behavior from the athlete with the idea that the could score a settlement later, but I don't think that's the normal situation. I think most would prefer to just do their job.

If I'm the player and you're not comfortable with the video whenever we're together then I'm worried that you might be trying to make a case against me at a later date. And yes, I'm sure there are some athletes who ARE hoping for something more than just a simple massage, but at this point if you go to a massage hoping for that and being okay with that you are seriously opening yourself up for major trouble in the future. There are plenty of safer ways to get that specific "treatment." 

I have no idea if this is a guy hoping for some "extra" service or if this is a group of women working together for an extra payday. Personally I'm probably leaning towards the former but I don't want to make too strong a stand until we know more details... if we'll ever know more details.

Yeah, whenever I read about an athlete being accused, I question if it's a money grab or not. I know it's wrong being so cynical but it happens. But when this many women come forward, it lessens the doubt. Is it a money grab or are they telling the truth? I have no idea. But at this point, an investigation is warranted. Yes, video would help but it's too late in this case. And these athletes should insist on video taping every encounter. If the masseuse refuses, find a different one. Money really makes people dishonest, so the general public just doesn't know the truth. But just having an accusation makes many, many people assume he's guilty.

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8 hours ago, RedRamage said:

I wonder if a visible line with influence spotting the ball? I mean, this assumes that refs aren't already influenced by where they THINK the line is, but if you physically see the line when you're about to put down the ball, might this make a ref adjust slightly if he ran out there thinking: "Yes they got it. " or "Oh, they stopped him short!" 

Just thinking out loud here, not saying the refs are intentionally cheating or that they don't already have biases in spotting the ball. I just wonder if there's be situations where the ref runs out there with his eye on a spot and thinks it's a 1st down, but then sees the spot is just short and his eye unconsciously nudges a bit over?

Wouldn't matter because once the sensor in the ball passed the line before the whistle, the light around the outside of the clock, as well as the light on the top of the down markers will turn on.  

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On 2/4/2025 at 1:30 PM, Sports_Freak said:

Yeah, whenever I read about an athlete being accused, I question if it's a money grab or not. I know it's wrong being so cynical but it happens. But when this many women come forward, it lessens the doubt. Is it a money grab or are they telling the truth? I have no idea. But at this point, an investigation is warranted. Yes, video would help but it's too late in this case. And these athletes should insist on video taping every encounter. If the masseuse refuses, find a different one. Money really makes people dishonest, so the general public just doesn't know the truth. But just having an accusation makes many, many people assume he's guilty.

psssssst....its a money grab.  its always a money grab.  deshaun watson was a money grab.  this is a money grab too.

if it werent a money grab, just go to the police and have him arrested and let the criminal justice system work.

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1 minute ago, buddha said:

psssssst....its a money grab.  its always a money grab.  deshaun watson was a money grab.  this is a money grab too.

if it werent a money grab, just go to the police and have him arrested and let the criminal justice system work.

If it were just one woman, I may agree that it's a possibility. But there's just SO many. That makes it much more plausible. 

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21 minutes ago, buddha said:

psssssst....its a money grab.  its always a money grab.  deshaun watson was a money grab.  this is a money grab too.

if it werent a money grab, just go to the police and have him arrested and let the criminal justice system work.

The real secret is that criminal "justice" doesn't actually do anything good for victims. Get dragged through the mud on a he-said/she-said by million dollar defense attorneys, and that's if the prosecutor takes the case in the first place. All for what - probation?

Multi-million dollar settlements and permanently scarring their reputation is worse to these athletes than settling a criminal trial. The burdens of proof also set the entire system up to make those money grabs easier than pursuing criminal charges.

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21 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

If it were just one woman, I may agree that it's a possibility. But there's just SO many. That makes it much more plausible. 

were talking about different things.  i dont know if he did what they say he did.  but i DO know that they want MONEY for what they say he did.  to me, that's a money grab.  if you were assaulted, then go to the police.  why does he owe you money?  why didnt you just go to the police?  why hire a civil lawyer at all if it werent about money?

i know, i know, that's unrealistic in today's day and age in the most litigious society the world has ever seen.  but that's how i feel after having worked in this industry for years.

ive seen many many many sexual abuse cases.  many are legit (although i really question the damages people get for them, but thats another story for another post), but many, many, MANY are not.

the general public would be surprised at how many fraudulent schemes there are out there to make money through legal abuse off companies and their insurers.  check out the RICO suits in new york against plaintiff attorneys and their doctors if you are curious.

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Just now, MichiganCardinal said:

The real secret is that criminal "justice" doesn't actually do anything good for victims. Get dragged through the mud on a he-said/she-said by million dollar defense attorneys, and that's if the prosecutor takes the case in the first place. All for what - probation?

Multi-million dollar settlements and permanently scarring their reputation is worse to these athletes than settling a criminal trial. The burdens of proof also set the entire system up to make those money grabs easier than pursuing criminal charges.

the criminal system isnt designed to "do good" for the victims, its designed to establish appropriate punishment for behaviors society deems abhorrent.

the civil system is designed to adjudicate disputes and provide the appropriate remuneration to make one party "whole" who has been injured by another.  what does "whole" mean?  $20 million for my "mental anguish"?  my "suffering"?  

i'm cynical.  ive seen the worst abuses of the system.  but that's the system we have now.

and this - like all civil cases - is a money grab because it is an attempt to make money off an event that may or may not have occurred.

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11 minutes ago, buddha said:

the criminal system isnt designed to "do good" for the victims, its designed to establish appropriate punishment for behaviors society deems abhorrent.

the civil system is designed to adjudicate disputes and provide the appropriate remuneration to make one party "whole" who has been injured by another.  what does "whole" mean?  $20 million for my "mental anguish"?  my "suffering"?  

i'm cynical.  ive seen the worst abuses of the system.  but that's the system we have now.

and this - like all civil cases - is a money grab because it is an attempt to make money off an event that may or may not have occurred.

I agree, and I am cynical too. Brandon McManus lost millions for alleged harassment that the NFL didn't find violated even its vague and amorphous personal conduct policy. Yet he settled that lawsuit for what I can only presume was a ton of money... On the extreme end of things, Trevor Bauer countersued his accuser after she made a false claim. She was recently charged with fraud and theft by extortion for her fake claims of sexual abuse she made against him.

But, that being said, I think the system is setup in a way that encourages real victims to seek a money grab too. As you said, the criminal justice system isn't designed to "do good" for the victim, so why should the victim turn to the criminal justice system if the threat is now gone?

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20 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I agree, and I am cynical too. Brandon McManus lost millions for alleged harassment that the NFL didn't find violated even its vague and amorphous personal conduct policy. Yet he settled that lawsuit for what I can only presume was a ton of money... On the extreme end of things, Trevor Bauer countersued his accuser after she made a false claim. She was recently charged with fraud and theft by extortion for her fake claims of sexual abuse she made against him.

But, that being said, I think the system is setup in a way that encourages real victims to seek a money grab too. As you said, the criminal justice system isn't designed to "do good" for the victim, so why should the victim turn to the criminal justice system if the threat is now gone?

I'm just not comfortable saying "I'm never going to believe any victim again because this one or that one lied." Yes, false accusations can ruin a famous person's life but every situation is different. And I admit, I dont know enough of the Tucker situation to confidentiality have an opinion.

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35 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I agree, and I am cynical too. Brandon McManus lost millions for alleged harassment that the NFL didn't find violated even its vague and amorphous personal conduct policy. Yet he settled that lawsuit for what I can only presume was a ton of money... On the extreme end of things, Trevor Bauer countersued his accuser after she made a false claim. She was recently charged with fraud and theft by extortion for her fake claims of sexual abuse she made against him.

But, that being said, I think the system is setup in a way that encourages real victims to seek a money grab too. As you said, the criminal justice system isn't designed to "do good" for the victim, so why should the victim turn to the criminal justice system if the threat is now gone?

the criminal system should reflect society's values for placing punishment for a crime.  honestly, its not the victim's decision, it should be the decision of the state to place its violent defenders behind bars and to place a proper punishment for the crime.  the victim relies on the state to provide judicial and police services.  its not an either/or proposition, the victim of the crime should let the state know of the crime.  if the victim just goes to their lawyer (or the lawyer finds them because the lawyer wants money or publicity - see watson, deshaun) and only wants a civil remedy, its because its a money grab.  like most of american jurisprudence.  its an industry designed to make the participants - plaintiff and defense attorneys but mostly plaintiffs - money.

as to criminal law, too often the state merely lets people go in large cities because of overcrowding, or gives people a harsh sentence because of politics, or other things.  but the question isnt what the victim "should" do, its what the state should do.

 

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18 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I'm just not comfortable saying "I'm never going to believe any victim again because this one or that one lied." Yes, false accusations can ruin a famous person's life but every situation is different. And I admit, I dont know enough of the Tucker situation to confidentiality have an opinion.

I agree with this too. I think I take more of an agnostic lens to it, at least in the early stages.

There’s four sides to these stories: the athlete’s, the victim’s, the media’s, and the truth. I don’t think I’m prepared enough for many of these cases to make a judgement on where the truth lies until a lot of it has already played out.

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18 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

I'm just not comfortable saying "I'm never going to believe any victim again because this one or that one lied." Yes, false accusations can ruin a famous person's life but every situation is different. And I admit, I dont know enough of the Tucker situation to confidentiality have an opinion.

im not saying that at all.

you are under the assumption that im saying she shouldnt get any money because she is lying.  im not saying that.  i think this is a money grab even if she is telling the truth.  if it wasnt a money grab, she would have gone to the police and had him arrested.  instead, she went to a lawyer to make her money.  it doesnt mean she's lying (although she could be).

i had a case where our client was a large motel chain.  they passed a "human trafficking" law in this particular state that says hotels are legally responsible if someone is "trafficked" in their establishment.  so if a cheap motel has prostitution occurring in it (and most do), they could be civilly liable to the prostitute.  same thing for the platform on which she was "trafficked" (they sued facebook  craigslist, etc etc).

this particular girl was being "trafficked," aka being pimped, by some local dude.  he was arrested and got like 20 years.  she founnd a very large and successful plaintiffs firm to take the case.  she got a very nice settlement in the millions of dollars.  all of a sudden, 20+ girls came out of the woodwork claiming they too were "trafficked."

same thing with watson.  one girl says he did x, gets with a very successful plaintiff's lawyer (tony buzbee, who once ran for governor) and then they extort money from watson and all of her friends come to get in on the game too.

its how they play the game.  and how they get rich.  happens all the time.

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3 hours ago, buddha said:

im not saying that at all.

you are under the assumption that im saying she shouldnt get any money because she is lying.  im not saying that.  i think this is a money grab even if she is telling the truth.  if it wasnt a money grab, she would have gone to the police and had him arrested.  instead, she went to a lawyer to make her money.  it doesnt mean she's lying (although she could be).

i had a case where our client was a large motel chain.  they passed a "human trafficking" law in this particular state that says hotels are legally responsible if someone is "trafficked" in their establishment.  so if a cheap motel has prostitution occurring in it (and most do), they could be civilly liable to the prostitute.  same thing for the platform on which she was "trafficked" (they sued facebook  craigslist, etc etc).

this particular girl was being "trafficked," aka being pimped, by some local dude.  he was arrested and got like 20 years.  she founnd a very large and successful plaintiffs firm to take the case.  she got a very nice settlement in the millions of dollars.  all of a sudden, 20+ girls came out of the woodwork claiming they too were "trafficked."

same thing with watson.  one girl says he did x, gets with a very successful plaintiff's lawyer (tony buzbee, who once ran for governor) and then they extort money from watson and all of her friends come to get in on the game too.

its how they play the game.  and how they get rich.  happens all the time.

Well, IMO, each case is unique and I'm not going to pass judgement on Tucker by comparing him to other cases or because of the fact that I don't have all the facts of the case. Isn't it multiple women? 

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6 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Well, IMO, each case is unique and I'm not going to pass judgement on Tucker by comparing him to other cases or because of the fact that I don't have all the facts of the case. Isn't it multiple women? 

yes a multiple woman money grab.

were talking past each other so i'm gonna bow out.

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According to The Athletic the Steelers will be the home team for a game in Ireland this upcoming season. Opponent, site and date to be named later. Pittsburgh makes some sense since Dan Rooney served as Ambassador to Ireland from 2009 to 2012.

I would love to see the Lions as the opponent, I wonder if there is a connection.

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11 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

The Lions host the Steelers, so that wouldn't be an option. 

It's the only decent non-divisional home game too, don't take that from us!

The Cowboys, Bucs, Browns, and Giants are the other four coming to Detroit. Yawn.

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