Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

[Motown Bombers]

 

[ewsieg]

20 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Some family members have hit me with the "both sides" **** about Bill Clinton, and my response has simply that a) I was 9 years old when the impeachment happened and b) you guys were all talking about "moral relativism" and whatnot back then and, lo and behold, you're the moral relativists now! lol

I have very little patience for that crap

As already mentioned, in recent history, pardons on both sides have been out of control.  I can't think of anyone specific right now, but I do remember Biden getting railed on for a few of his pardons and I'm confident if you go through all of them, there will be some 'bad' ones.  

"Both Sides" can be valid AND Trump can be taking it to a new level as well.  Both can be true.  I mentioned this recently and wish people would think about what they truly want our country to be rather than really hoping for some 'karma' to hurt their enemies.  

If you are that upset over Marc Rich, then don't do the same thing.  The reasoning that 'Well Billy did it' shouldn't be tolerated, not even by mom's dealing with their toddlers using the same excuse.  Unfortunately it's not even tolerated under Trump, he's going on TV and celebrating it.  He just flat out owns it and that has done two things 1) normalized it to the media, so it doesn't get the attention it would have in the past and 2) proven how bad partisan politics have become, or at least if you want to resist that, how bad at least 1 party has become.  Granted you guys were ready to put in Biden (I was too) despite the fact it was obvious he was no longer able to do the job.  

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[Motown Bombers]

12 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

As already mentioned, in recent history, pardons on both sides have been out of control.  I can't think of anyone specific right now, but I do remember Biden getting railed on for a few of his pardons and I'm confident if you go through all of them, there will be some 'bad' ones.  

"Both Sides" can be valid AND Trump can be taking it to a new level as well.  Both can be true.  I mentioned this recently and wish people would think about what they truly want our country to be rather than really hoping for some 'karma' to hurt their enemies.  

If you are that upset over Marc Rich, then don't do the same thing.  The reasoning that 'Well Billy did it' shouldn't be tolerated, not even by mom's dealing with their toddlers using the same excuse.  Unfortunately it's not even tolerated under Trump, he's going on TV and celebrating it.  He just flat out owns it and that has done two things 1) normalized it to the media, so it doesn't get the attention it would have in the past and 2) proven how bad partisan politics have become, or at least if you want to resist that, how bad at least 1 party has become.  Granted you guys were ready to put in Biden (I was too) despite the fact it was obvious he was no longer able to do the job.  

I would like to see specific examples of Biden pardons that would be bad ones. 

[slothfacekilla]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

I would like to see specific examples of Biden pardons that would be bad ones. 

Especially ones done as the result of blatant bribery.

[romad1]

Katie Miller seems pretty broken emotionally based on the reports from the people who wrote about her after the first admin.  They apparently tried to trigger her empathy for the kids in the cages down at the border and she just shrugged it off Magda Goebbels style. 

Tony Serrata 🇺🇦: "Summing this all up in one image. BUT absolutely worth the read for the nitty gritty." — Bluesky

Gwen Snyder is uncivil: "Oh I am not ****posting, folks. Stephen Miller, his wife, and Elon are widely rumored to be a throuple. Now Miller's wife is leaving the Trump team to be with Musk & LITERALLY PER THE NEW YORK TIMES Stephen is angrily subtweeting Musk. They actually put it in the paper of record that he was mad" — Bluesky

Gwen Snyder is uncivil: "Meanwhile Stephen Miller is furiously subtweeting Musk on X" — Bluesky

 

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[romad1]

I got to say this is a deep cut meme.   George C. Scott in is it Hard Core as a Michigan calvinist who tracks his daughter down to the world of bad things.  

 

[ewsieg]

I was keeping it generic as I felt most could agree that recent history of Presidential pardons has gotten out of hand.  But if you want specifics, I just dug a bit and see that Biden gave more acts of Clemency than any other president in our history.  Granted a large number was clemency related to drug offenses and I think most reasonable people were fine with this.  Another chunk was related to Covid related concerns.

But let's focus on 3:

Hunter Biden - you can argue all you want that they focused on him wrongly, but he was guilty and anyone else that had those issues would have faced consequences.  Blatant bribery?  Can't say that, although 10% for the big guy might have helped.  (I kid, IMO he did it because he loves his kids and felt this was the best thing for him).

Pre-emptive pardons - again, not related to bribery, but with this he expanded the power of the presidency which based on recent history, and now Trump, it will become common place IMO going forward.

Michael Conahan (D) - A judge that imposed harsher than normal sentences which included sending kids to for-profit organizations and in return he'd get a kickback.  Made millions doing this.  The left will say he was just part of a group that was granted clemency due to Covid conditions in the jails.  The right will say he was included in that because it was convenient to explain it that way.  If Trump had commuted this guy and he had an "R" next to him, for a day or two, you would have all know his name and implied that it proves how corrupt Trump is.

Is any obvious bribery in place, no.  But I was never arguing that Biden was equal to Trump, I was just saying both sides had gotten out of control leading up to Trump 2.0.  

Going back to my original point, I would just like all pardon's, regardless of who provided it, fully vetted by the media to get the real story out, not a 'but he did it first so don't complain about my guy' mentality.   By scrutinizing it, maybe we'll revert back to the good 'ole days where "bribes" were directed to campaign funds and everyone involved could simply point to that to show they didn't do anything wrong.  

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I'm not suggesting all pardons are created equal but the issue is essy and face it... when you pardon someone who was convicted of a crime, then it's going to look bad, unless its part of a mass pardon for something that since diminished as a crime, like pot use and draft dodging.  The differences are often of degree, not principal.

I just don't think crying about them is going to amount to much in terms of public opinion.  How can anything Trump does at this point amount to much?  It will make us feel better doing it but we're left in the same place.

 

[GalagaGuy]

"10% for the big guy"

This was a single reference found in a single email and was never proven to be anything more.  I am so sick of Republicans latching onto a talking point and then repeating it over and over again without any actual proof of it being true.   I guess I shouldn't blame them though since the tactic obviously works with those who keep voting for them even after being repeatedly kicked in the balls.  

[Tigerbomb13]

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Just all unserious people 

[Motown Bombers]

She is getting played. Really disappointing. 

 

[smr-nj]

Once I heard Trump use the phrase “people are saying” regarding those convictions, I knew that the pardons will be coming. 
 

Come on. How is this not absolutely known behavior > verbiage > outcome….  He telegraphs what’s going to happen. 

There will be no discussion with Whitmer. He will just do it. 

[romad1]

13 minutes ago, smr-nj said:

Once I heard Trump use the phrase “people are saying” regarding those convictions, I knew that the pardons will be coming. 
 

Come on. How is this not absolutely known behavior > verbiage > outcome….  He telegraphs what’s going to happen. 

There will be no discussion with Whitmer. He will just do it. 

Its interesting to see that she has the "banked" promise not to pardon them to play as a card when she responds.  It will be interesting to see how/what she responds with.   

[romad1]

This isn't me...but he's captured my thoughts. 

[romad1]

also amazing

 

[ewsieg]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

"10% for the big guy"

This was a single reference found in a single email and was never proven to be anything more.  

I'm just glad to see some of you guys are admitting it is true and no longer trying to discredit the laptop or rely on 50 intelligence officers said....

[GalagaGuy]

34 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I'm just glad to see some of you guys are admitting it is true and no longer trying to discredit the laptop or rely on 50 intelligence officers said....

So first of all, "50 intelligence officers" never said the laptop was fake, they said it "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation".  Secondly, we've never actually seen what was on Hunter's laptop, we've only seen what was taken from a copy of the original hard drive.  Lastly, it's hilarious how much you people still care about Hunter Biden when you couldn't care less about the crimes your favorite orange felon goes around committing on a daily basis. 

[ewsieg]

27 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

So first of all, "50 intelligence officers" never said the laptop was fake, they said it "has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation". 

Gee, I wonder what the implication was for them to say that.

27 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Secondly, we've never actually seen what was on Hunter's laptop, we've only seen what was taken from a copy of the original hard drive. 

We also have reporters, (they aren't fake just because they found stuff you don't like), that took the time and effort to vet information believed to be from the laptop and specific to that email, they verified it was real.  

27 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Lastly, it's hilarious how much you people still care about Hunter Biden when you couldn't care less about the crimes your favorite orange felon goes around committing on a daily basis. 

I brought up Hunter specifically because I was asked to give examples of Biden pardons that were questionable and that one certainly was.  I was perfectly fine pointing out 'both sides' in recent history leading up to Trump 2.0 had pardon issues and still pointed out Trump 2.0 is taking it to a new level.  But hilariously, some of you that claim to see things so clearly, can't help but get so defensive when a democrat may have done something wrong, even if it's become more of a modern norm.

I see you're newer here.  Not sure if new or new account, but you're not going to find a Trump apologist in me.  I am a republican and only recently decided that (again).  I have never voted for Trump and after he took over my party I figured I was an independent, despite mostly voting for Democrats (voted for Candice Miller in 2024 for a county seat, but did check to see if she had endorsed or even said anything positive about Trump before doing so).  Ultimately though, **** Trump.  The GOP is mine, not his.  Doesn't look like I'll win, but I'm going to fight for it.  

Edited Thursday at 07:38 PM by ewsieg

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[GalagaGuy]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Gee, I wonder what the implication was for them to say that.

We also have reporters, (they aren't fake just because they found stuff you don't like), that took the time and effort to vet information believed to be from the laptop and specific to that email, they verified it was real.  

I brought up Hunter specifically because I was asked to give examples of Biden pardons that were questionable and that one certainly was.  I was perfectly fine pointing out 'both sides' in recent history leading up to Trump 2.0 had pardon issues and still pointed out Trump 2.0 is taking it to a new level.  But hilariously, some of you that claim to see things so clearly, can't help but get so defensive when a democrat may have done something wrong, even if it's become more of a modern norm.

I see you're newer here.  Not sure if new or new account, but you're not going to find a Trump apologist in me.  I am a republican and only recently decided that (again).  I have never voted for Trump and after he took over my party I figured I was an independent, despite mostly voting for Democrats (voted for Candice Miller in 2024 for a county seat, but did check to see if she had endorsed or even said anything positive about Trump before doing so).  Ultimately though, **** Trump.  The GOP is mine, not his.  Doesn't look like I'll win, but I'm going to fight for it.  

Of course Biden pardoned his son, there isn't a person in DC that wouldn't have done the same thing had they been in the same situation.  What I responded to was your silly ass "10% for the big guy comment".  No idea what that has to do with what you claim your intended point was.   

[ewsieg]

19 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Of course Biden pardoned his son, there isn't a person in DC that wouldn't have done the same thing had they been in the same situation.  What I responded to was your silly ass "10% for the big guy comment".  No idea what that has to do with what you claim your intended point was.   

I hope there is a day where most people in DC wouldn't do the same thing and let their kids deal with the consequences of their actions.  I think you managed to get out every possible Dem talking point on the subject though.  

I was asked to show something that Biden did involving bribery (despite me clearly stating that I didn't think Biden had done anything different than most recent presidents and stating Trump was taking it to a new level).  So yes, I threw in that little jab to document a clear monetary reason for Biden not to have his son go to jail.  It's a reach, I'm not pretending it isn't, but if you think this was the first time Hunter used his dad's name to grift and in return, passed some money back to Dad as a thank you, you're kidding yourself.  Any proof Biden allowed that though, or even did it when he was in a position of power?  Nope.  But is that because it never happened or because MSM put the same amount of effort into finding out then they did when they took the 50 intel officers letter like the gospel and declared everything fake?

Sorry, I will stop now.  I'm realizing all i'm doing is burying my original point, which is I hope both sides can see things they don't like the other side doing and make the choice to do the right thing when in power.  MAGA would probably still get riled up over Marc Rich, but they defend pardons from other convicted felons where bribery is transparent.  One of Whitmers top talking points was adding more transparency, once she gets into power, she deflects.  Rules for the, not for me.  The motto of most long standing politicians.