Trumps Presidency 2025

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, antrat said:

And this is why he wanted it killed. So uninformed people (ie Fox News watchers) would say the Democrats are weak on immigration and border enforcement.

And look! It's working like a charm right here in our very midst!

[Motown Bombers]

 

[GalagaGuy]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

And look! It's working like a charm right here in our very midst!

Democrats are weak on immigration and they prove it every single time the issue comes up here and on other sites.  I have never seen them actually say that a person deserves to be deported for their past actions.  But don't you dare call them open border advocates, that's not what they are at all.  

[pfife]

Lol

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

Democrats are weak on immigration and they prove it every single time the issue comes up here and on other sites.  I have never seen them actually say that a person deserves to be deported for their past actions.  But don't you dare call them open border advocates, that's not what they are at all.  

Obama was literally nicknamed Deporter in Chief. 

[Motown Bombers]

"According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president's administration in history.

In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

[Tigermojo]

You could give Trump 20 years and he wouldn't solve illegal immigration. He's not there to solve your problems. He's there to increase his bank account and avoid prison. Everything else is a distraction. He has surrounded himself with incompetent lackeys. USA = Russia 2.0.

[GalagaGuy]

24 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Obama was literally nicknamed Deporter in Chief. 

And yet Democrats only whine about it when a Republican is kicking people out of the country.  Funny how that works. 

[Motown Bombers]

19 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

And yet Democrats only whine about it when a Republican is kicking people out of the country.  Funny how that works. 

Obama wasn't chasing down cabbage pickers and sending them to concentration camps in countries they weren't native too. 

Funny how you blame Democrats for immigration when at every turn Republicans have blocked every reform. 

[GalagaGuy]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Obama wasn't chasing down cabbage pickers and sending them to concentration camps in countries they weren't native too. 

Funny how you blame Democrats for immigration when at every turn Republicans have blocked every reform. 

I blame Democrats for supporting people in the country illegally, pay attention. 

[Motown Bombers]

10 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

I blame Democrats for supporting people in the country illegally, pay attention. 

But they deported more people than republicans and tried to pass immigration that was blocked by republicans multiple times. Pay attention. 

[GalagaGuy]

4 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

But they deported more people than republicans and tried to pass immigration that was blocked by republicans multiple times. Pay attention. 

And as I've already mentioned, they had the chance to pass any legislation they wanted when they had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate but decided to only work on a half baked health care plan. 

That's besides the point though.  We have immigration laws and people who go in front of a judge and are ordered deported should be removed.  Why is it that you continue advocating for people who have been told it's time to go?

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said:

Obama was literally nicknamed Deporter in Chief. 

He didn't put on a tough guy show though.    

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, GalagaGuy said:

And as I've already mentioned, they had the chance to pass any legislation they wanted when they had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate but decided to only work on a half baked health care plan. 

That's besides the point though.  We have immigration laws and people who go in front of a judge and are ordered deported should be removed.  Why is it that you continue advocating for people who have been told it's time to go?

this is a much more general problem then just immigration. It's just the current worst case. We pass too many laws in the US that no-one is really interested in enforcing. We pass them to make 'statements' even though they may be impractical or unworkable or just in nobody's interest but the sound bite a CongressCritter got from it. That leaves half the people frustrated who understand it's bad law, the other half irritated that 'the laws on the books aren't enforced' and leaves the state police power constantly tempted with the corruption to practice selective enforcement, and in general degrades both respect for and compliance with rule of law by both the public and the government.

Edited Tuesday at 02:12 AM by gehringer_2

[pfife]

I see we've "evolved" to "2009 Democrats shoulda been like 2025 Republicans when they had a chance because the 2009 Republicans didn't have enough votes to block the 2009 Democrats from being 2025 Republicans" stage of the discussion.

Solid 

 

[pfife]

Personally I'm glad the 2009 Democrats brought health insurance to millions of people instead of passing a maga immigration plan.   Only MAGA would think that sucked.  

[GalagaGuy]

11 minutes ago, pfife said:

Personally I'm glad the 2009 Democrats brought health insurance to millions of people instead of passing a maga immigration plan.   Only MAGA would think that sucked.  

Pretty sure Democrats would have passed a Democrat approved immigration plan.   But you don't really want immigration reform, you want open borders, right? 

[pfife]

15 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Pretty sure Democrats would have passed a Democrat approved immigration plan.   But you don't really want immigration reform, you want open borders, right? 

Yep

At least youre sure of the details of the hypothetical you made up

Meanwhile in reality 

[pfife]

Im open borders because you made up what the democrats immigration reform would have been in 2009 had they passed one.

Hilariously solid

 

[GalagaGuy]

2 minutes ago, pfife said:

Im open borders because you made up what the democrats immigration reform would have been in 2009 had they passed one.

Hilariously solid

 

Yes, saying that Democrats would have passed a Democrat approved immigration plan is just wild speculation or something.  

 

[pfife]

2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Yes, saying that Democrats would have passed a Democrat approved immigration plan is just wild speculation or something.  

 

Dude we actually know what happened and it's not what you say they woulda done - so you're literally making **** up.

And then basing what you think are insults based on the **** you just made up.

Get a grip 

 

[pfife]

This is the party that "saved" maga mike.  but go off champ.  story hour with magalagaguy

Edited Tuesday at 03:15 AM by pfife

[gehringer_2]

37 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

Pretty sure Democrats would have passed a Democrat approved immigration plan.   But you don't really want immigration reform, you want open borders, right? 

Dems may have had the votes in theory, but you are correct to the degree there was no immigration bill all Dems would agree on at that point. The best chance at reform was with Bush, there was an absolute majority given the sum of Dem and Repub support then, but the GOP would not allow a bill to pass the with majority Dem support (Hastert rule idiocy).

the Dems are whistling past the graveyard if they don't figure out what to do with their faction who do believe that open borders are a moral imperative. There may not even be that many but as long as the Dems can't control the narrative about it, it's a problem.

it's a commendable moral stance, it's just not a politically viable stance. But for decades we've had this weird collusion between the pro immigration parts of the left and the business interests on the right who are happy to support anti-immigration political talk, as long as they know they can count on enough division among the Dems so that between that and their own duplicity, they can keep anything from actually happening. Finally the public frustration over inaction helped give us Trump and the business community is going to see their worst nightmare scenario come to past - either there is going to be a recession, or  lower end wages in the US are going to rise.

Edited Tuesday at 03:21 AM by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

Dems agreed to immigration reform three separate times among three different presidents and all three times Republicans thwarted it. Dems are aligned on immigration. Dems do not support open borders. This is Republican talking points. 

[gehringer_2]

7 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Dems agreed to immigration reform three separate times among three different presidents and all three times Republicans thwarted it. Dems are aligned on immigration. Dems do not support open borders. This is Republican talking points. 

I've met enough people in a liberal outpost like A^2 who support open borders to tell you they are out there and as long as they drive perceptions....

There has always been a gulf between the functional governing Dem party and the public perception of it - that is maybe the Dems single biggest problem.

Edited Tuesday at 03:34 AM by gehringer_2