Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

This guy appears to be some investor so I have no idea his credibility. The Ayatollah was 86 years old. They must have some sort of contingency plan.

[Tiger337]

30 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

He's bored of peace.  

[Tigeraholic1]

39 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Celebration is good, but someone better start figuring out how to disarm the IRG, or this could all be short lived.

The oppressed people will. 

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The oppressed people will. 

the thing I worry about with Iran is along the lines of MB's post above. The regime has been pushed hard before by protest and absorbed the blow pretty easily. One of the things in the West is that like Iraq before the war, we see mostly the Iranians who want what we want. The western press is always looking for the protestors. But once you get outside Teheran, how deeply conservative is the rest of the population? We don't know because we don't see/hear from them. It would be tragic if it turns out the parallel to Afghanistan holds, where the real problem for all those westernized people in Kabul was less our perfidy than the fact that a huge portion of the countryside actually does want to live in the 7th century.

I hope you are right, but with no US boots on the ground to take physical control of the levers of power and then hand them to the right people, it's still looks like a crap shoot to me. Which is definitely not saying I want US boots on the ground there.

Edited 19 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

I bet there already is a new Supreme Leader in place, we just don't know their identity yet. The Ayatollah was 86. There had to be a succession plan. 

[gehringer_2]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

I bet there already is a new Supreme Leader in place, we just don't know their identity yet. The Ayatollah was 86. There had to be a succession plan. 

Under normal circumstances, after the Supreme leader dies the new supreme leader is chosen by a council of top mullahs - sort of like the cardinals picking a pope. But I would be bet you are correct that there is a process for an immediate interim leader for a wartime footing.

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tigermojo]

I haven't seen anything about Iran's nuclear program. Wasn't that the point? They fumbled last time. Real tough guys killing and 86 year old and his family. They have potentially made things worse. 

[gehringer_2]

35 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Or it pulls the Saudi's into the shooting. 

[Motown Bombers]

I remember when leftists were telling us Conor Lamb was basically a Republican. Is Fetterman still a Democrat? It's a legit question.

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

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[Tigeraholic1]

Triple chin can’t be happy her team got pummeled yesterday.

 

[romad1]

I don't think Trump wants the takeaway from this to be that killing the leader is a way to change the regime.  

[mtutiger]

11 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

The oppressed people will. 

Given that the oppressed people of Venezuela are still being oppressed by the same regime after Maduro was removed, what gives you such confidence?

If bad leaders are removed but the regimes itself stay in place, why do you expect the Ameircan people to be excited by any of this?

Edited 8 hours ago by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I hope you are right, but with no US boots on the ground to take physical control of the levers of power and then hand them to the right people, it's still looks like a crap shoot to me. Which is definitely not saying I want US boots on the ground there.

It's worse than a crap shoot, it's magical thinking. The odds of landing on the ideal outcome through a strictly aerial campaign are remote at best... There is no precedent for it

But these guys didn't even bother coming to the American public to try to explain any of what they were planning to do or to justify it (and they had the opportunity during the SOTU speech).... So what makes anyone think they have a plan for what comes next that isn't magical thinking?

[mtutiger]

2 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Triple chin can’t be happy her team got pummeled yesterday.

 

Wow what a pummeling

Edited 8 hours ago by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

 

[romad1]

17 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

GHWB and Schwartzkopf

I wish we had the paradigm of 1991 in place still.  Massive and exceptionally advantaged technologically, actually worried about outcomes and knock-on effects of disrupting current order, allies lining up to pay into a common fund for collective security, upset at killing civilians, Vietnam miasma in rear view mirror as a warning to not do that.   Add in these elements:

• Sober as f SecDef - as opposed to guy who needs to show you how many push ups he can do between shots
• POTUS schooled in noblesse oblige and who had actually been shot down  in a shooting war - as opposed to a guy who rapes children
• Chairman of the Joint Chiefs schooled by life as a small unit commander in Vietnam and the inventer of the weinberger doctrine - as opposed to whatever yassir we got now

[romad1]

Well, there is something to be said for Caine.  

China is the main adversary now.  Not sobriety.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Tigermojo]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

I don't think Trump wants the takeaway from this to be that killing the leader is a way to change the regime.  

Plus their whole family and all the leadership but Trump only cares about himself. 

[romad1]

So, Trump likely thought this was the thing that would save his presidency.   He may try to cancel elections or whatever he thinks is necessary to do that but that will not save him. 

[Motown Bombers]