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2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

How did a person bring a gun into the same building where the President is at? I would presume there is a security check before you can even enter into the same building as the President. Metal detectors, scanners/wands, police and secret service everywhere. I would imagine this person wasn't trying to sneak in a derringer either, but a larger size weapon.

Yeah ive been to 2 events where the president is there and its really high security.   I guess anythings possible or it was smuggled in beforehand?

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I don't buy the conspiracies surrounding this and continue to believe this administration is too incompetent to actually execute anything elaborate that is often attributed to them in times like these.

Having said that, hard not to find a bit of dark amusement that all these people who have worked diligently to lower trust throughout greater society and exploited it gleefully while campaigning for power now find themselves distrusted by many people now that they themselves have power.

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26 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I don't buy the conspiracies surrounding this and continue to believe this administration is too incompetent to actually execute anything elaborate that is often attributed to them in times like these.

Having said that, hard not to find a bit of dark amusement that all these people who have worked diligently to lower trust throughout greater society and exploited it gleefully while campaigning for power now find themselves distrusted by many people now that they themselves have power.

 This is a good take.  I'm still not sure what to think about the various loose threads of this event though.   This is definitely a card in Putin's playbook as seen by the Hungarian election "assassination attempt" and we know that Putin loves him some Trump. 

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I don’t think this would be so hard a setup for them to pull off. Maybe the incompetence part here is the inability to get us to believe it is reasonably possible for the Secret Service to not be able to fully secure a single building in Washington DC ahead of the president.

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21 minutes ago, romad1 said:

 This is a good take.  I'm still not sure what to think about the various loose threads of this event though.   This is definitely a card in Putin's playbook as seen by the Hungarian election "assassination attempt" and we know that Putin loves him some Trump. 

But even if this were the case, to what end? This will likely be forgotten in a week or two, just as Charlie Kirk was forgotten within a week or two for the vast majority of people.

As Viktor Orban learned a few weeks ago, the playbook starts to lose its effectiveness when people are pissed about their material conditions

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24 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

But even if this were the case, to what end? This will likely be forgotten in a week or two, just as Charlie Kirk was forgotten within a week or two for the vast majority of people.

As Viktor Orban learned a few weeks ago, the playbook starts to lose its effectiveness when people are pissed about their material conditions

Just because the effectiveness of such a tactic might have lost its edge in particular circumstances doesn’t mean a largely incompetent and unstudious regime, looking for any edge to change the conversation and increase their popularity through any means, including through orchestrated sympathy, won’t continue to try it.

In any event, we now are talking about this event, which was weirdly under enough control to allow them to keep the president in the building for almost an hour after the noise, and not about something else. I would just say we might keep our eyes peeled for something really horrific that’s going under the radar while we continue to focus on this.

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34 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

But even if this were the case, to what end? This will likely be forgotten in a week or two, just as Charlie Kirk was forgotten within a week or two for the vast majority of people.

As Viktor Orban learned a few weeks ago, the playbook starts to lose its effectiveness when people are pissed about their material conditions

The purported gunman may well have been just a guy.  In which case, he is a symptom of the powerlessness of our citizens in a democracy when "those people" or "the man" control all aspects of the system:  the three branches of government and the media 4th estate and now the meta layer of data manipulation.  It all serves a crust that definitely does not care about the well-being of its citizens and only cares about its own power. 

Well, that's not great. 

The other case is that he's actually part of the manipulation of the system.  

That would be worse. 

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

I don't buy the conspiracies surrounding this and continue to believe this administration is too incompetent to actually execute anything elaborate that is often attributed to them in times like these.

Having said that, hard not to find a bit of dark amusement that all these people who have worked diligently to lower trust throughout greater society and exploited it gleefully while campaigning for power now find themselves distrusted by many people now that they themselves have power.

They both (this one and the one in Butler) looked fake, and if any administration was going to do two fake assassination attempts, it would be this one, but I don't think they were staged.  A staged assassination attempt requires too many people to be on board and I think somebody would leak it. Someone got killed in the first one and don't think they would be able to get everyone on board with murder.  Nobody got killed in this one (not yet), but I still don't believe everyone would be on board.  

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Lol at people who think this absolute **** annual event would/should be held, let alone held at the white house in a new ballroom

Plot totally lost

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