Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

We’d like our country to be more like Canada and not Romania 

 

[GalagaGuy]

45 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I hope there is a day where most people in DC wouldn't do the same thing and let their kids deal with the consequences of their actions.  I think you managed to get out every possible Dem talking point on the subject though.  

I was asked to show something that Biden did involving bribery (despite me clearly stating that I didn't think Biden had done anything different than most recent presidents and stating Trump was taking it to a new level).  So yes, I threw in that little jab to document a clear monetary reason for Biden not to have his son go to jail.  It's a reach, I'm not pretending it isn't, but if you think this was the first time Hunter used his dad's name to grift and in return, passed some money back to Dad as a thank you, you're kidding yourself.  Any proof Biden allowed that though, or even did it when he was in a position of power?  Nope.  But is that because it never happened or because MSM put the same amount of effort into finding out then they did when they took the 50 intel officers letter like the gospel and declared everything fake?

Sorry, I will stop now.  I'm realizing all i'm doing is burying my original point, which is I hope both sides can see things they don't like the other side doing and make the choice to do the right thing when in power.  MAGA would probably still get riled up over Marc Rich, but they defend pardons from other convicted felons where bribery is transparent.  One of Whitmers top talking points was adding more transparency, once she gets into power, she deflects.  Rules for the, not for me.  The motto of most long standing politicians.

I'm not repeating "Dem talking points", I am simply stating facts.  Pretty much the complete opposite of what you've done.  Hunter Biden is a screw up, nobody disputes that.  The fact that you need to attack Hunter Biden and then try to tie his behavior to his father shows just how little you actually had to work with. 

Now, want to talk about all the crimes we know Trump to have committed or the completely insane pardons he's handing out? 

[ewsieg]

It's an entire thread dedicated to just trying to pick the worst thing he's done during a specific week.  I did this because there is so much bad that he does day to day, it's often difficult to remember the worst things as he always does something else bad to redirect from that previous bad thing.  More than willing to discuss all the bad things Trump has done, i've done it for almost 10 years now, but i'm not going to pretend Dems are infallible even if their misdeeds are the fraction of the level Trump has done.

 

[oblong]

If Harris had won do we think Biden would have pardoned Hunter?  Hard to say.  I am open to the idea that he pardoned him because he feared a Trump Justice department would not play fair.  I’m also open to the idea that he was an old man who lost a son and had the power to keep his other son around a big longer for the short amount of time he had left.  Not justifying it but understanding it and I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if I had the power.  It’s his son. Not some campaign donor. 

[Motown Bombers]

29 minutes ago, oblong said:

If Harris had won do we think Biden would have pardoned Hunter?  Hard to say.  I am open to the idea that he pardoned him because he feared a Trump Justice department would not play fair.  I’m also open to the idea that he was an old man who lost a son and had the power to keep his other son around a big longer for the short amount of time he had left.  Not justifying it but understanding it and I can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if I had the power.  It’s his son. Not some campaign donor. 

Biden could have ended the investigation if he wanted to. Hunter even agreed to a plea deal that the right wing prosecutor reneged on. 

[ewsieg]

“Hunter Biden had initially agreed to plead guilty to a negotiated misdemeanor tax charge as part of a deal with the Justice Department. That deal would have seen the gun charges dismissed in a diversion agreement as long as he stayed out of trouble for two years and likely would have come with a recommendation for no prison time.

The agreement collapsed last year after a federal judge in Delaware questioned several unusual aspects, including how it was packaged”

Apnews.com

[GalagaGuy]

Back in 2017, around 112,000 people were reported to law enforcement regarding the 4473 they filed while attempting to purchase a firearm.   Of those, only 12 were prosecuted.    The only reason Hunter was even prosecuted for the gun was because of his last name so lets stop acting like it was the crime of the century.  

[ewsieg]

Also Dems “we need more gun laws”.

[GalagaGuy]

18 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

Also Dems “we need more gun laws”.

We do need better gun laws and I saw that as a CCW holder who can see my gun on the counter as I sit here typing.  That said, as far as attempts to illegally buy a firearm, what Hunter did is about the least serious of all the ways to improperly fill out a 4473.

Edited yesterday at 01:21 AM by GalagaGuy

[pfife]

I argued at the time that the Hunter pardon and the preemptive pardons were not onlt justified but were the morallly correct decision.  Given how trump has gone after his enemies already, it was obviously the right thing to do. 

[Cruzer1]

I think there needs to be limits to presidential pardons in the future, as well as tariffs going through congress. Trump has destroyed the office of the President.

[romad1]

Was looking at the news mix channel on a TV in the cafeteria and the fixation on one channel was Biden's use of autopen being illegal. 

Flash forward to the Houthi Signal chat where they weren't sure if Trump had given the go-ahead.

[mtutiger]

9 hours ago, pfife said:

I argued at the time that the Hunter pardon and the preemptive pardons were not onlt justified but were the morallly correct decision.  Given how trump has gone after his enemies already, it was obviously the right thing to do. 

I argued against it at the time and still am against it, but from watching the first 100+ days of this administration, it's less of a slam dunk for me for the reason given the bolded. 

1 hour ago, Cruzer1 said:

I think there needs to be limits to presidential pardons in the future, as well as tariffs going through congress. Trump has destroyed the office of the President.

I agree completely. 

Edited 20 hours ago by mtutiger

[mtutiger]

21 hours ago, ewsieg said:

As already mentioned, in recent history, pardons on both sides have been out of control.  I can't think of anyone specific right now, but I do remember Biden getting railed on for a few of his pardons and I'm confident if you go through all of them, there will be some 'bad' ones.  

There were some bad ones... I even said it at the time. Although the moment that Donald Trump pardoned all the J6 rioters pretty much is a conversation ender in terms of "both sides" for me.... the scale and proportion isn't even in the same time zone anymore.

Either way, my point is that I'm not going to take lectures from the same people who were all jawboning about "moral relativism" during the Clinton years. All that stuff was clearly bull****.

[oblong]

28 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

There were some bad ones... I even said it at the time. Although the moment that Donald Trump pardoned all the J6 rioters pretty much is a conversation ender in terms of "both sides" for me.... the scale and proportion isn't even in the same time zone anymore.

Either way, my point is that I'm not going to take lectures from the same people who were all jawboning about "moral relativism" during the Clinton years. All that stuff was clearly bull****.

That was true the day he won the nomination in 2016 and is applicable to everything about the guy.   Pardons are just one piece in a giant pile.

 

[CMRivdogs]

Anyone know how much of a "kickback"/commission Trump Crime Family is receiving from the US Steel/Nippon merger he's announcing today.
 

Inquiring minds want to know 

[CMRivdogs]

Another "security breech"

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[chasfh]

15 hours ago, ewsieg said:

It's an entire thread dedicated to just trying to pick the worst thing he's done during a specific week.  I did this because there is so much bad that he does day to day, it's often difficult to remember the worst things as he always does something else bad to redirect from that previous bad thing.  More than willing to discuss all the bad things Trump has done, i've done it for almost 10 years now, but i'm not going to pretend Dems are infallible even if their misdeeds are the fraction of the level Trump has done.

 

Newsflash: ewsieg is not going to pretend Dems are infallible.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Cruzer1 said:

Trump has destroyed the office of the President.

Well, it's not like we couldn't see it coming from nine years away ...

[chasfh]

13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

So eat cake before you drop, motherforkers.

[Tiger337]

16 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

We’d like our country to be more like Canada and not Romania 

 

Florida Man!

[Tiger337]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Newsflash: ewsieg is not going to pretend Dems are infallible.

I appreciate that this forum is dedicated to trashing Trump.  It's why I come here!  However, I think criticism of things that Democrats do is fine too, not as a defense of what Republicans are doing, but as a statement of things they do that posters don't like.  

[CMRivdogs]

25 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Makes a great bumper sticker for '26. Vote GOP, WE're All Going To Die Anyway.

TACOs for everyone!

[romad1]

Also, that people with cancer will definitely die because of the halt to vital research.   Also, that my son was denied a US education in the hard sciences because his internship might compete with Elon's business