Trumps Presidency 2025

[romad1]

1 minute ago, romad1 said:

Do you see the drop ends toward the end of the summer and levels off in the fall?  

In either event, the rot of the summer was what ossified his disapproval.  

Also, Microsoft Word - Final Report Compiled

The final exodus of US forces was in August 2021 and the fall of Kabul occurred in August.  

[romad1]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

"Ex-NBC host Chuck Todd questioned if the public was sold a “40-year bill of goods” about Joe Biden’s image and reputation as a family man, saying he should have never run for president."

https://www.foxcharleston.com/chuck-todd-tears-into-bidens-family-man-image-questions-if-we-were-sold-a-40-year-bill-of-goods/

**** Chuck Todd and his opinion. He was fired from Meet the Press because he was terrible. 

Kristin Welker has been worse.  I cannot stand her. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, romad1 said:

Kristin Welker has been worse.  I cannot stand her. 

No argument there. 

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I listened as I did my exercises this morning.  It sounded like a whole lot of meh to me.  The gist is Trump will lose influence only if the economy is failing or if there is a perception that it's failing.  They don't think he is dramatically losing popularity at this point.  

The only way Trump will lose any influence is when he dies, and even then it won't be by much, because his syphilitic ramblings will be compiled into a tome akin to holy scriptures, and that will posthumously guide MAGA, which at that point will led by Cocaine Donnie, the only other personality red hats adore.

[Tiger337]

11 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You sure the withdrawal wasn't in June? That's when it seems to have started for him.

 

Biden was never popular other than the obligatory blip following his election.  He was elected because he wasn't Trump.  

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Do you see the drop ends toward the end of the summer and levels off in the fall?  

In either event, the rot of the summer was what ossified his disapproval.  

Correct, the numbers definitely kept dropping through August and beyond.

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

Biden was never popular other than the obligatory blip following his election.  He was elected because he wasn't Trump.  

Close—Biden was elected because he was a white guy who wasn't Trump.

Edited 2 hours ago by chasfh

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Biden was never popular other than the obligatory blip following his election.  He was elected because he wasn't Trump.  

He and GHW Bush were third terms of popular presidencies.  Biden had to deal with the fact that people were tired of that and COVID and he really wasn't super effective at communicating even before the things that burned the Dems in early 2024 when it was realized he was no longer able to come across as a vigorous political leader. 

Edited 2 hours ago by romad1

[Motown Bombers]

It wasn't because he was white. Obama was more popular than Trump and would have won a third term against Trump if he could have run. 

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, romad1 said:

He and GHW Bush were third terms of popular presidencies.  HWBush had to deal with the fact that people were tired of that and COVID and he really wasn't super effective at communicating even before the things that burned the Dems in early 2024 when it was realized he was no longer able to come across as a vigorous political leader. 

Biden never got support from his party the way Trump does from republicans. The Biden administration passed a lot of good legislation but Democrats always focused on what they didn't pass. Biden was a throwback to a bygone ere where he could just run on being a good legislator. People on both sides of the aisle want theater. 

[romad1]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Biden never got support from his party the way Trump does from republicans. The Biden administration passed a lot of good legislation but Democrats always focused on what they didn't pass. Biden was a throwback to a bygone ere where he could just run on being a good legislator. People on both sides of the aisle want theater. 

Lesson learned that its better to be feared than loved.  There are GOP pols who are credibly fearful for their lives and their families lives if they turn their back on Trump.   The consequences of doing so are clearly obvious from Kinzinger and Cheney examples. 

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Close—Biden was elected because he was a white guy who wasn't Trump.

Obama easily won twice and he would have won in 2016 if he was allowed to run.  

[Motown Bombers]

3 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Lesson learned that its better to be feared than loved.  There are GOP pols who are credibly fearful for their lives and their families lives if they turn their back on Trump.   The consequences of doing so are clearly obvious from Kinzinger and Cheney examples. 

I think 75% actually support Trump and his policies and 25% fear him. I would put Murkowski into the fear group and someone like Cruz into the adoring admirer group. 

[romad1]

1 minute ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think 75% actually support Trump and his policies and 25% fear him. I would put Murkowski into the fear group and someone like Cruz into the adoring admirer group. 

people like to win even if it means they have to cheat. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, romad1 said:

people like to win even if it means they have to cheat. 

I think Trump exposed the Republican Party more than he changed it. He allowed everyone to be their worst selves publicly. It is now OK to be public with your thought privately. They've realized they're not alone. Many of the principled Republicans who weren't these people, Cheney, Kinzinger, Romney, are gone. 

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I think 75% actually support Trump and his policies and 25% fear him. I would put Murkowski into the fear group and someone like Cruz into the adoring admirer group. 

There is also likely a fairly large percentage who neither supports nor fears him, but likes to take advantage of his presidency.  Maybe you are lumping them into the support percentage.  

[romad1]

Anyway...the entire thesis that I took out of the Chuck Todd/Tim Miller exchange was that there is a chance that Trump is facing the normal political headwinds of a second term that gets off to a rough start.  He's gotten off to a rough start.  

He can probably scare the RW media a bit more but if he has Murdoch turn on him.  If he has Musk turn on him in any kind of coordinated way...he might slip into W.Bush territory. 

[chasfh]

24 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Obama easily won twice and he would have won in 2016 if he was allowed to run.  

Maybe.

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, chasfh said:

Maybe.

Obama was one of the most popular outgoing presidents. Hillary was one of the least popular candidates and she won the popular vote by 3 million and the election came down to less than 100k votes in three states. Obama would have crushed Trump. 

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Obama was one of the most popular outgoing presidents. Hillary was one of the least popular candidates and she won the popular vote by 3 million and the election came down to less than 100k votes in three states. Obama would have crushed Trump. 

Maybe. He would have been going on a third term and there was a huge backlash (or "blacklash", if you prefer) waiting in the wings for a Trump to exploit. I think a lot of people in the middle, the true swing voters, would have given the "successful businessman" his chance at it.

Edited 1 hour ago by chasfh

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Maybe.

ok

[ewsieg]

18 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Anyway...the entire thesis that I took out of the Chuck Todd/Tim Miller exchange was that there is a chance that Trump is facing the normal political headwinds of a second term that gets off to a rough start.  He's gotten off to a rough start.  

He can probably scare the RW media a bit more but if he has Murdoch turn on him.  If he has Musk turn on him in any kind of coordinated way...he might slip into W.Bush territory. 

The other part Todd mentioned, and I do agree with, is ultimately everyone is looking for the next big scandal that can bring Trump down and he doesn't think even this Epstein stuff can do that, which I'm all for keeping up the heat on him over Epstein, but probably think Todd is right.  What he did say and this was right as he was asked about BLS and how can we trust any numbers out of them, is that it really doesn't matter what the numbers say for your average person.  Time has proven again and again that if your average American has trouble paying bills, it doesn't matter what the stock market or economist are saying, they will revolt.  

[Tiger337]

40 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

The other part Todd mentioned, and I do agree with, is ultimately everyone is looking for the next big scandal that can bring Trump down and he doesn't think even this Epstein stuff can do that, which I'm all for keeping up the heat on him over Epstein, but probably think Todd is right.  What he did say and this was right as he was asked about BLS and how can we trust any numbers out of them, is that it really doesn't matter what the numbers say for your average person.  Time has proven again and again that if your average American has trouble paying bills, it doesn't matter what the stock market or economist are saying, they will revolt.  

The stock market does matter because there are so many retail investors who are not tied to either party, but I agree with the overall point.