Trumps Presidency 2025

[Motown Bombers]

Trump and Republicans said they wouldn’t negotiate health care until Dems opened the government. They are calling their bluff. If republicans renege, they can shut it down January 30th. 

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said:

It looks to me like a very good democratic deal. Open the government, vote to release the Epstein files and shut the government back down in late January when the MAGA Republicans refuse to extend the subsidies. SNAP will continue in a future shutdown so these horrible people can't use starving people as a political weapon. It's a win-win-win for the democrats.

Trump has had close to 10 years to come up with a health care plan to replace the ACA. It looks like his "theory " was just....another of his countless lies.

I don't know. As one of the people who isn't getting paid right now, it's hard not to see that the lesson learned from these 40 days is that Rs just need to outlast Ds. Rs don't care about collateral consequences. Who cares if the country is starving, or whatever humanitarian crisis results from the next shut down? They just return to their talking points and blame the other side. Likewise, Rs surely don't care that not paying governmental workers, many of whom could make much more in the private sector (but chose federal government for its supposed "mission," "benefits," and "security"), is causing long-term ripple effects in having a significantly worse workforce.

The January shut down might very well go on for even longer. And then what?

[ewsieg]

48 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

so will BLS issue the missed reports or just pass until the next one is due?

No to the first part, maybe to the second part.  Depends if the report looks good or not.

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I don't know. As one of the people who isn't getting paid right now, it's hard not to see that the lesson learned from these 40 days is that Rs just need to outlast Ds. Rs don't care about collateral consequences. Who cares if the country is starving, or whatever humanitarian crisis results from the next shut down? They just return to their talking points and blame the other side. Likewise, Rs surely don't care that not paying governmental workers, many of whom could make much more in the private sector (but chose federal government for its supposed "mission," "benefits," and "security"), is causing long-term ripple effects in having a significantly worse workforce.

The January shut down might very well go on for even longer. And then what?

The Republicans need to come up with something quickly. Trump has been trying to get rid of the ACA for 10 years. He now has 8 weeks to come up with something the citizens and democrats will go along with. I don't see it happening. There will be a year of massive pain in this country with people either paying a huge increase in health care premiums or having to declare medical bankruptcy. This is all going to come back and bite the GOP even as they try to blame the democrats. The GOP has failed the entire country, all they can do is blame Obamacare. They have no plan on how to replace it even after all these years. The midterms are 12 months away and the GOP is going to lose....bigly.

The subsidies needed would cost less than the money Trump gave away to Argentina. America First? Yeah, just more Trump lies.

[Tigeraholic1]

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[MichiganCardinal]

20 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

The Republicans need to come up with something quickly. Trump has been trying to get rid of the ACA for 10 years. He now has 8 weeks to come up with something the citizens and democrats will go along with. I don't see it happening.

Of course it won't. You said it yourself, nothing has changed for ten years, why would it change overnight? The best to be hoped for is the status quo, which is still a bandaid over a bullet hole. And the status quo seems unlikely in the current political climate.

There probably is a reckoning coming for the GOP. Trump's name will (hopefully) never appear on a ballot again. Notwithstanding 2020, they haven't been seriously successful on a ballot his name isn't on since what, 2014? Can they secure the level of crazy vote he brings without him at the helm? To what extent will someone saying they're a MAGA Republican matter as he fades into the sunset?

I won't underestimate that contingent again after 2024, but I don't think it's a given that Trump voters are automatically Vance voters, no more than it was a given that Sanders voters were automatically Clinton voters. A large number are voting for the person, not the party.