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3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

Just a random observation, but while ICE's ostensible charge is centered around enforcing immigration law, it's noticable how little "immigration" factors in to this operation. Or that they aren't even bothering with the pretense that this operation is about "immigration"... It's purely about harassing a large metropolitan area because they can.

If they keep this up, they are going to end up turning "abolish ICE" into something the median voter actually agrees with.

My problem with this is these voters seem to have short memories.  We are 9 years into this and have been thru several dozen moments that should have been turning points for the average “swing” voter.  
 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

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1 hour ago, oblong said:

My problem with this is these voters seem to have short memories.  We are 9 years into this and have been thru several dozen moments that should have been turning points for the average “swing” voter.  
 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

Definitely not the point I'm trying to make fwiw.

Posted
1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

His life wasn’t threatened.
 

His authority was threatened.

Do you recognize the difference?

 

His manhood was threatened. It's what MAGAMEN fear most

Posted
13 hours ago, oblong said:

 

A point I saw made recently;  

“Our country isn’t like this because we have Donald Trump as our president.  We have Donald Trump as our president because our country is like this”.  
 

This isn’t directed at you but I am tired of “this is the moment it’s over”.  It will never be over until he’s dead.  There are no such moments.   

Agree. I think for a while there we were headed in a direction that would make us better. Unfortunately, judging from comments I've had from people who assumed I felt as they did, I also, deep down, knew that the transformation was far from complete. The only difference now is that people have brought the ugliness to the surface.

And just like removing a cyst-we need to make sure to remove the sac or it will keep coming back. 

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