2025 NCAA Football Thread

[Sports_Freak]

43 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Couple other names that might be explored: David Shaw, Brian Griese, Larry Foote, Pat Narduzzi, Lance Leipold, Kliff Kingsbury, Robert Saleh, Zach Orr

If Saleh wants to coach college, yes please.

[MichiganCardinal]

6 minutes ago, buddha said:

id rather have horny ass sherrone than david shaw.

I think there’s a reason he keeps getting interviewed. If you want a program in crisis to have stability, confidence, and competent leadership he’s your man.

Of course stability and competent leadership does not necessarily include winning.

He’s not a strong Xs and Os coach (which is why he and Morton are probably not going to stay with the Lions past this year), but I do think he’s better than the end of his Stanford tenure would have you believe. For his entire tenure, Stanford Admissions would not permit football players to transfer in unless they were going to be admitted as a transfer anyway. Mind you, Stanford admits like 30 transfer students a year, and half of them are armed forces veterans. Imagine running a college football program where the transfer portal was a one-way street and it’s no wonder he went 3-9.

Anyway that diatribe over, he wouldn’t be a good hire and they shouldn’t do it, I’m just throwing out names. Also I met him on Thanksgiving and he was very nice even though I interrupted his family time pregame.

[Jason_R]

I just came to the board tonight to see if Skubal got traded, then I got sucked into a soap opera. 

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

Michigan didn’t want to launch what would have been a very difficult head coaching search late in the game fresh off a national championship, so they did the easy thing and hired their OC.

Yup. And I think an additional factor was with the the NCAA sanctions pending, the House case pending, the NIL system/athletic payments etc all up in the air, they were willing to let it ride on Moore at low cost to see if the dust settled a bit before they committed big $ to a coach whose skill fit might to be obsoleted by circumstance (e.g. do you make prep recruiting your #1 priority if college football is going to end up with the equivalent of a draft, etc). And who knows, Moore might win a few games.

So wait and see hasn't particularly worked out. Things are almost as much up in the air as 2 yrs ago, even though the House settlement has come down. But they did beat OSU last season. So I doubt they feel too bad about the decision to bide their time per se. They only now regret doing it with Moore.

Edited yesterday at 04:01 AM by gehringer_2

[GalagaGuy]

 

[buddha]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

Yup. And I think an additional factor was with the the NCAA sanctions pending, the House case pending, the NIL system/athletic payments etc all up in the air, they were willing to let it ride on Moore at low cost to see if the dust settled a bit before they committed big $ to a coach whose skill fit might to be obsoleted by circumstance (e.g. do you make prep recruiting your #1 priority if college football is going to end up with the equivalent of a draft, etc). And who knows, Moore might win a few games.

So wait and see hasn't particularly worked out. Things are almost as much up in the air as 2 yrs ago, even though the House settlement has come down. But the did beat OSU last season. So I doubt they fill too bad about the decision to bide their time. They only now regret doing it with Moore.

they hired moore because he was there, he was the interim head coach, and it was the easiest thing to do.

[MichiganCardinal]

6 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said:

 

I’m pretty sure this is AI. I have some limited (not first hand) knowledge of the Washtenaw County Jail. They don’t release mugshots publicly and they tend to allow inmates to keep their street clothing on while in overnight detention awaiting arraignment, with some exceptions.

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, buddha said:

they hired moore because he was there, he was the interim head coach, and it was the easiest thing to do.

I don't get the 'easy' critique. They buy search, investigative and interview services - it wasn't going to be hard on anyone to have undertaken a search. But I will grant the situational uncertainly was high - that was going to be the hard part. So if you feel you can't have confidence in a decision you make today but think that situation will change by tomorrow, then make the decision tomorrow. I don't see that as an organization failure per se - it's a tactical choice. Plus they saved a lot of money -  which always matters. And there was always the chance Moore would have been more successful, because they wanted Moore to be successful - that's a story the U wanted to be able to tell. (fail there)

Plus, I know everyone seems to think no-one would ever turn down an offer to coach M, but anyone would rather step in to clean up after a guy messed up and 10 wins will be seen as progress, than have to follow an NC winner who left you with a bare cupboard and an investigation still pending. Long story short, they are in a better position to get a yes from someone they want today than on the heels of Harbaugh's exit.

Edited yesterday at 04:23 AM by gehringer_2

[buddha]

15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I don't get the 'easy' critique. They buy search, investigative and interview services - it wasn't going to be hard on anyone to have undertaken a search. But I will grant the situational uncertainly was high - that was going to be the hard part. So if you feel you can't have confidence in a decision you make today but think that situation will change by tomorrow, then make the decision tomorrow. I don't see that as an organization failure per se - it's a tactical choice. Plus they saved a lot of money -  which always matters. And there was always the chance Moore would have been more successful, because they wanted Moore to be successful - that's a story the U wanted to be able to tell. (fail there)

Plus, I know everyone seems to think no-one would ever turn down an offer to coach M, but anyone would rather step in to clean up after a guy messed up and 10 wins will be seen as progress, than have to follow an NC winner who left you with a bare cupboard and an investigation still pending. Long story short, they are in a better position to get a yes from someone they want today than on the heels of Harbaugh's exit.

you had a assiatant coach who was the game day coach for some big wins (psu and osu) and your team just won a national championship.  it would have been VERY HARD to not hire him as a full time replacement.  the easy thing to do was to promote the guy right in front of you.

the hard thing to do would have been to plan for harbaugh's departure beforehand and have a list of candidates you had already spoken to and had an idea what they wanted.  its possible they did that and none of them were available, but i doubt it.

there would have been huge press backlash if they didnt hire moore.  huge pressure on warde if it didnt work.  again, everyone expected them to hire him.  from an organizational and self-preservation stand point, hiring him was EASY.

[buddha]

now, if warde knew about these transgressions beforehand - and it seems like the rumors had been out there for a while - and he still hired him...then warde should be dismissed.  he's made two very high profile hires who have embarassed the university.  who is doing michigan's background checks?

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, buddha said:

there would have been huge press backlash if they didnt hire moore.

I agree from some quarters, but the reality is that inexperienced assistants are passed over when coaches leave 99% of the time, so I will disagree they would have suffered all that much backlash to have dumped Moore which was the normal thing to have done. No argument they should have been better prepared for JH to walk, it had been as obvious as the nose on anyone's face for the preceding two years.

[Motor City Sonics]

Washtenaw County courts are on You Tube.  They won't make an exception for a famous person.  We all should be able to see him in court tomorrow.   I wonder if he's getting Judge Simpson or Judge Erane Washington.    I am very familiar with those two Judges.  

 

If Warde isn't out of a job by this time tomorrow, I don't know what's going on there.   At some point there has to be consequences for scandal after scandal.  

 

Gee, I wonder if Doug Karsch will be out tomorrow.   He is in a tough spot.  Voice of the team, but also has to host a sports show.   He might have a bit of a temperature tonight.   

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, buddha said:

now, if warde knew about these transgressions beforehand - and it seems like the rumors had been out there for a while - and he still hired him...then warde should be dismissed.  he's made two very high profile hires who have embarassed the university.  who is doing michigan's background checks?

It's looking like Warde apparently has pics on some of the regents. 

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if this does him in, but I bet it will done most gracefully, and probably several month from now at least.

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Washtenaw County courts are on You Tube.  They won't make an exception for a famous person.  We all should be able to see him in court tomorrow.   I wonder if he's getting Judge Simpson or Judge Erane Washington.    I am very familiar with those two Judges.  

 

If Warde isn't out of a job by this time tomorrow, I don't know what's going on there.   At some point there has to be consequences for scandal after scandal.  

 

Gee, I wonder if Doug Karsch will be out tomorrow.   He is in a tough spot.  Voice of the team, but also has to host a sports show.   He might have a bit of a temperature tonight.   

Karch is an old pro at this point, it will just be more to fodder to drive ratings.

Edited yesterday at 04:41 AM by gehringer_2

[GalagaGuy]

Will they stop singing Mr Brightside?  

Coming out of my cage and I've been doing just fine

Gotta, gotta be down because I want it all

It started out with a kiss, how did it end up like this?

 

Edited yesterday at 04:46 AM by GalagaGuy

[Motor City Sonics]

37 minutes ago, buddha said:

they hired moore because he was there, he was the interim head coach, and it was the easiest thing to do.

Hey, they went 5-0, including beating Ohio State, when he filled in for Harbaugh.   Based on that he deserved a real shot.   Now, if he was doing this kind of stuff back then, well that's different. 

 

 

 

One coach allowed a pervert doctor to grope his players for two decades and said nothing (so he could control health reports on players...allegedly)

His replacement was going great and then got hammered and was recorded threatening cops and then to beat his wife

No issues with Lloyd, as far as I know.  Won a Natty and stayed out of trouble. 

Rich Rod did some awful stuff (after his days at Michigan). 

Brady Hoke was not ready for prime time ( I don't blame him for the Shane Morris concussion thing, I doubt he saw him stumble, but Dave Brandon with the 1am "let's sneak it by everyone" press release).  

Jim Harbaugh had several scandals = and face it folks, they did steal signs and then he hightailed it out of there when it got hot in the kitchen.   Real class act.  

Assistant coach hacking emails.

Now this

The Leaders and Best.  

 

 

 

 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Hey, they went 5-0, including beating Ohio State,

IDK - that's pretty meaningless. It was Harbaugh's team, Harbaugh's game plan being executed by the guys in the booth. All Moore had to do was make in game decisions on a template already designed for him. That's a tiny piece of a major college football coach's overall job, even if Moore did do it well. He may or may not have proven to the people around him that he was ready to be head coach somewhere, but wearing the headset in those games would not have been that much of the reason why.

[MichiganCardinal]

 

[Motor City Sonics]

[buddha]

37 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I agree from some quarters, but the reality is that inexperienced assistants are passed over when coaches leave 99% of the time, so I will disagree they would have suffered all that much backlash to have dumped Moore which was the normal thing to have done. No argument they should have been better prepared for JH to walk, it had been as obvious as the nose on anyone's face for the preceding two years.

sometimes for sure, but not all the time.  when has there been an inexperienced assistant who just won a national championship and beat your biggest rival in the biggest osu-michigan game in 20 years?  i dont know about that.  

look, i've been saying this was a mistake for a long time, but at the time it would have been hard to go get someone else.  plus, the cycle was over.

that's why warde is bad at his job.  he doesnt make the tough decisions.  why did he take forever to fire juwan?  why make all that bluster about harbaugh's suspension, go so far as to file a lawsuit, and then back off at the last second without any concessions?  why hire sherrone instead of a search?  or just make him an interim for a year (like osu did with fickell)?

because those are tough decisions.

[buddha]

steve fisher comes to mind.

bo didnt want to hire hin either but felt he had no choice after they won the natty.

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, buddha said:

t would have been hard to go get someone else. 

this we agree on, even if for some different reasons.

With respect to Warde, don't forget he doesn't act in a vacuum. He not a free agent and the institution is responsible for some the imperatives he faces. That said I won't argue he's hasn't been to slow to stop the bleeding. But of course if he had been a lot quicker with the hammer, one of those might well have fallen on Harbaugh at a point well before he brought them the NC, so there's that to consider! 

[Deleterious]

So she turned him in.  Probably with a paternity test.

 

[Deleterious]

 

[romad1]

20 minutes ago, Deleterious said:

 

Seeing on MGOBLOG that there is a regent meeting today to decide Warde Manual's fate.  It does not seem to be a good time to mention the political capital that M had to exert to keep out the private equity hooligans.  If memory serves their previous AD was a...private equity hooligan who tried to do every stupid thing possible to squeeze the fans and alumni out of their hard earned money for a mediocre product trading on the memories of better days. 

I hope to all that his good they can somehow keep Larry Ellison and his kids and Dave Portnoy from any part in the decision-making process.