Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[chasfh]

Just now, Tenacious D said:

Chas-logic.  

Meaning you think I’m right, or full of beans?

[oblong]

I looked up the previous sixth place winners.  
 

In 2024 it was the Logans, Webb and Gilbert.  
 

In 2023 it was the Zachs, Eflin and Wheeler. 

[oblong]

14 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Meaning you think I’m right, or full of beans?

I agree with you which is why I picked sixth for a number.  Just enough of a drop, for whatever reason, to say “well, maybe he peaked and he’s not the pitcher he once was”.  

[Shelton]

There will not be an extended work stoppage. The thing players want (more money) can’t really be mandated by rules without completely upending the current system, and these people aren’t smart enough to agree on a system that would satisfy anyone. So at most they are getting an increase in league minimum and some minor adjustment to earning free agency. 
 

Owners want to keep making tons of money, which they already are. They can all afford to spend big if they want to, so all a cap does is help the richest teams make higher profits. But no one wants to lose a season. 
 

there just is not enough to gain for either party at this point.

[Tiger337]

27 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think because of his recent two Cy Youngs, there’s a recency bias for writers to cast votes for Skubal, so I would think a season that garners him a, say, sixth-place finish for the Cy Young would garner the average non-award-winning pitcher a tenth-place finish in award voting. IOW, if he were to drop to sixth, I would think his season would be worse than the typical sixth-place CYA finisher.

Maybe,  but in this instance I am viewing Cy Young ranks as quality of season ranks.  I am just using the Cy Young prefix because the prior posters did.  

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, Shelton said:

There will not be an extended work stoppage. The thing players want (more money) can’t really be mandated by rules without completely upending the current system, and these people aren’t smart enough to agree on a system that would satisfy anyone. So at most they are getting an increase in league minimum and some minor adjustment to earning free agency. 
 

Owners want to keep making tons of money, which they already are. They can all afford to spend big if they want to, so all a cap does is help the richest teams make higher profits. But no one wants to lose a season. 
 

there just is not enough to gain for either party at this point.

I want to believe this, although, I wouldn’t underestimate Manfred’s or Tony Clark’s ability to shoot themselves or their constituents in the ****.

[Tiger337]

7 minutes ago, Shelton said:

There will not be an extended work stoppage. The thing players want (more money) can’t really be mandated by rules without completely upending the current system, and these people aren’t smart enough to agree on a system that would satisfy anyone. So at most they are getting an increase in league minimum and some minor adjustment to earning free agency. 
 

Owners want to keep making tons of money, which they already are. They can all afford to spend big if they want to, so all a cap does is help the richest teams make higher profits. But no one wants to lose a season. 
 

there just is not enough to gain for either party at this point.

I don't expect a long work stoppage either.  

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I want to believe this, although, I wouldn’t underestimate Manfred’s or Tony Clark’s ability to shoot themselves or their constituents in the ****.

Clark will shoot his constituents in the **** 

Manfred will shoot the game in the **** one way or the other.  

[gehringer_2]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

He once saw Gehringer at a game and he recognized him from his avatar and kept looking at him.  

LOL - the avatar is from Harry Nilsson's "the Point", the artwork for it was by Gary Lund. This forum SW doesn't do sig lines, but when I adopted the "Rockman", it was because his tag line was "you see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear." and so that was the sig line that went with the Avatar. I did drop Rockman for Trumps 1st term in favor of the Queen of Diamonds, in honor of the "Manchurian Candidate". 

if anyone is interested, there are two versions of 'the Point' out there, one narrated by Ringo, the other by Nilsson himself. Nilsson's is better -- IMHO.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, Shelton said:

There will not be an extended work stoppage. The thing players want (more money) can’t really be mandated by rules without completely upending the current system, and these people aren’t smart enough to agree on a system that would satisfy anyone. So at most they are getting an increase in league minimum and some minor adjustment to earning free agency. 
 

Owners want to keep making tons of money, which they already are. They can all afford to spend big if they want to, so all a cap does is help the richest teams make higher profits. But no one wants to lose a season. 
 

there just is not enough to gain for either party at this point.

I hope you are right. The take is imminently rational. That doesn't seem to be enough in too many spheres anymore. 

[IdahoBert]

This idea that a work stoppage should be short assumes a level of human rationality that’s not on display right now to any significant degree, hardly anywhere in this country. It seems like the stakes should be so high that the two sides can agree on who gets screwed in the deal and that will be the basis of an agreement. 

[papalawrence]

When you are dealing with money discord amongst the wealthiest of people, greed/control/power typically trumps reason. I see a long stoppage. Hope I am wrong