5/17/25 3:07PM Tigers @ Blue Jays

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

Umpire throwing the ball back to the pitcher Lauer almost threw it past him. That got me to wondering.

If there’s a runner on base and the catcher—let’s call him Mackey Sasser—attempts to throw a ball back to the pitcher but wings it right past him into center field, the ball is still live so the runner can advance. But what if the umpire, instead of Sasser, throws the ball wildly past the pitcher the same way? Is the ball still live and the runners can advance? Is there already a rule that contemplates this?

Good question. I have always assumed no ball from an Ump is 'live' until it's in the possession of the player he gives it to - either handing it to the catcher or throwing it to the pitcher - but I have no idea if there is any explicit rule to that effect.

[IdahoBert]

5 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Would like to see a double play to make up for that 12 pitch leadoff at bat 

I should’ve also wished for $5 million

[IdahoBert]

I guess it’s a bullpen day for the Blue Jays after all

[IdahoBert]

Even though it’s only the fourth inning, I’m unhappy with the number of runs thus far scored by the Tigers. 

[IdahoBert]

Petry jabbered without paying any attention to the game for that entire last batter of the fourth. 

[IdahoBert]

Nido single

[IdahoBert]

Reese has only 71 pitches after five innings so they should be able to get a couple more innings out of him if he doesn’t melt down or anything. Sure could use some run support.

[monkeytargets39]

[IdahoBert]

I’m starting to get a bad feeling about this game. I think it will take more than one run to win this game. I hope I’m wrong.

[IdahoBert]

Nido is doing a good job of tricking this ump on low pitches out of the zone. 

[monkeytargets39]

[chasfh]

Reese is pitching a Cy Young game. He’s pitched to the minimum. I would love to see him at least start the seventh.

[chasfh]

41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Good question. I have always assumed no ball from an Ump is 'live' until it's in the possession of the player he gives it to - either handing it to the catcher or throwing it to the pitcher - but I have no idea if there is any explicit rule to that effect.

Actually, stupid question by me. The only time an umpire would himself return a ball to the pitcher is after a dead ball incident such as a foul ball—i.e., he would never take a live ball from the catcher after a pitch and then throw it back himself. And as we all know, a foul ball results in a dead ball, and the ball is not live again until the pitcher touches the pitcher’s plate (aka “the rubber”) while in possession of the ball.

[IdahoBert]

It feels like bringing Beau in is sort of like playing Russian roulette with a gun with only two chambers, but maybe he’s settling down. 
 

[papalawrence]

Reese was at 83 pitches. Not sure I understand. 

[chasfh]

Ooooh, I’m not sure I like this … when I said yesterday Beau Brieske would be getting another leverage situation within the next week, I wasn’t thinking within the next 18 or so hours.

[chasfh]

Just now, papalawrence said:

Reese was at 83 pitches. Not sure I understand. 

Eighty-three pitches in 2025 = 110 pitches in 1995.

[holygoat]

That looks like a HR

[chasfh]

Unless they have a camera right there, that ball is foul. 

Edited May 17 by chasfh

[holygoat]

Cool. Beau needs to get his sht together.

[RandyMarsh]

I'm guessing it was less about pitch count and more about the fact that he didn't want Vladdy seeing Olson for a 3rd time. 

[chasfh]

Keith probably could’ve gotten the runner at second on that with a quick flip over there. Good attempt by Guerrero to screen the ball and good job by Keith still fielding it.

[IdahoBert]

I find myself turning the audio off on the game on the TV and I have some kind of recollection that MLB TV used to give you the option of just listening to crowd noise in the background and not listening to broadcasters, but I might be hallucinating this memory. 

[IdahoBert]

We need another DP. I won’t even wish for a DP and $5 million this time. 

[chasfh]

If Beau loses Springer, he’s gotta come out.