2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[1984Echoes]

On 7/31/2025 at 6:37 PM, RaceDog said:

... for Josueth Quinonez

18 year old in DSL

Where is the Motown Forums IN-DEPTH analysis of this guy we just traded for?

Is he any good?

Does he have 5 tools?

How many cousins does he have?

What was the name of his Venezuelan Little League team in 3rd grade?

The Maracay Margates?

[romad1]

Carlos Monmarez is going hard on Scott Harris is turrible narrative …therefore i think Harris was right.  

[gehringer_2]

21 minutes ago, romad1 said:

Carlos Monmarez is going hard on Scott Harris is turrible narrative …therefore i think Harris was right.  

Exactly. Carlos works really hard at being the most deeply wrong sports writer in Detroit, undaunted by the depth the competition.

Edited August 2 by gehringer_2

[Shelton]

11 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Eh... there's attrition between now and October, so it's nice to stockpile as many as you can and have more to choose when setting the playoff roster. I'm of the believe a healthy SGL is better than all of the above and Paddack.

I don’t disagree that it will help to have depth at SP. But they should just say that. 

[oblong]

11 hours ago, romad1 said:

Carlos Monmarez is going hard on Scott Harris is turrible narrative …therefore i think Harris was right.  

What did he say last year?  This org earned the benefit of the doubt and Carlos and lost legacy media don’t have the knowledge to speak intelligently n these matters 

[gehringer_2]

55 minutes ago, oblong said:

What did he say last year?  This org earned the benefit of the doubt and Carlos and lost legacy media don’t have the knowledge to speak intelligently n these matters 

we all dump on the writers (your's truly not excepted)  because their stuff is bad, but I suppose it's a little unfair. The papers don't have the resources to support them so they are reduced to click hunting just like everyone else. 

[romad1]

8 hours ago, oblong said:

What did he say last year?  This org earned the benefit of the doubt and Carlos and lost legacy media don’t have the knowledge to speak intelligently n these matters 

I know he said that the Tigers had nothing to worry about in the Guardians series after they took the lead in the series.  That was when i knew they were cooked.  

As for the point about his being bad or good.  He's unlucky and a counter-indicator.  That is the baseline of my suspicions about him.   

[romad1]

Contra Carlos Monnarrez take...this gives me great giddiness

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/jeff-seidel/2025/08/03/detroit-tigers-fun-in-philadelphia-reminder-of-alan-trammell-kirk-gibson/85494589007/

[HugoD]

22 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Exactly. Carlos works really hard at being the most deeply wrong sports writer in Detroit, undaunted by the depth the competition.

Yea, read that piece and thought, “carlos is at it again “ deeply stupid article.

iirc, there was a time when he was defending Matt Patricia.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, romad1 said:

Contra Carlos Monnarrez take...this gives me great giddiness

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/jeff-seidel/2025/08/03/detroit-tigers-fun-in-philadelphia-reminder-of-alan-trammell-kirk-gibson/85494589007/

I don't know Carlos Monnarrez.  Seidel's story was nice, but it sounded like a Spring Training fluff article.  

[HugoD]

32 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't know Carlos Monnarrez.  Seidel's story was nice, but it sounded like a Spring Training fluff article.  

Yes it did. He’s prone to that.

[chasfh]

Beat journalism is more than just describing the game and getting player quotes afterwards. Some of it entails hearts-and-minds stories meant to connect fans on a personal basis with guys they read about all the time but will never meet.

[HugoD]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Beat journalism is more than just describing the game and getting player quotes afterwards. Some of it entails hearts-and-minds stories meant to connect fans on a personal basis with guys they read about all the time but will never meet.

I agree with that, and I also find that stuff insightful when it’s done well.  Obviously, the skill of the writer factors into whether said article is insightful or empty calories. 

I think Seidel is hit or miss. I do find him less annoying than Albom, to whom I’ve never taken a shine. Can’t put my finger on why, other than it seems he that he’s typically more obvious that he thinks he is with his insights ( plus his really annoying overuse of circling back or looping in his articles)

[romad1]

5 hours ago, romad1 said:

I know he said that the Tigers had nothing to worry about in the Guardians series after they took the lead in the series.  That was when i knew they were cooked.  

As for the point about his being bad or good.  He's unlucky and a counter-indicator.  That is the baseline of my suspicions about him.   

You know who is also a bad counter-indicator...97.1's drive time radio host. 

[gehringer_2]

59 minutes ago, romad1 said:

You know who is also a bad counter-indicator...97.1's drive time radio host. 

At least with Valenti, he doesn't really try to hide that he's not trying to be right, he's trying to be entertaining/engaging, because on the radio that's his job. I suppose a print reporter can make the same argument to some extent, but there is still a vestigial set of 'traditional' expectations for things that call themselves newspapers, though admittedly they're fading fast.

[holygoat]

2 hours ago, HugoD said:

I think Seidel is hit or miss. I do find him less annoying than Albom, to whom I’ve never taken a shine. Can’t put my finger on why, other than it seems he that he’s typically more obvious that he thinks he is with his insights ( plus his really annoying overuse of circling back or looping in his articles)

It's probably Albom's winning combination of sanctimony, saccharine and theater-kid dramaticism. Oblong nailed it years ago on the old board: "The Mustard Pack Was Still There..."

[romad1]

55 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

At least with Valenti, he doesn't really try to hide that he's not trying to be right, he's trying to be entertaining/engaging, because on the radio that's his job. I suppose a print reporter can make the same argument to some extent, but there is still a vestigial set of 'traditional' expectations for things that call themselves newspapers, though admittedly they're fading fast.

I think with some of this there is a concern that they are trying to drive a narrative that suits the betting touts. 

[IdahoBert]

Reading all of you discussing local Detroit media makes me feel kind of left out. I have very little knowledge of it.

Having never lived in Detroit, and with the Tigers always being an exotic “fix“ obtained from a distance like Jasmine from the Orient, I wonder if my affection for the team would have been dulled by the ubiquity of it all if I’d lived in Detroit.

Where I live in Boise Idaho everybody wears Boise State Bronco gear, especially on Saturdays in the fall, and though the team once meant a lot to me, even back then I would kinda roll my eyes and mockingly think “wow that’s really being edgy and unique” when each Saturday rolled around and Bronco flags were flapping from everybody’s pick up truck.

For me, the Tigers have always been something unique, not something commonly accessible. Where I’ve lived for the last 38 years the Tigers are my secret pleasure, my secret vice.

I might as well be a goth teen wearing all black in the 102° heat with piercings all over me. Being a Tigers fan out here makes me unique, and when I do meet people from Detroit out here we are able to share a bond that seems more valuable because of its rarity.

And sharing this affection with the rest of you who grew up in Michigan only affirms this connection. 

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Reading all of you discussing local Detroit media makes me feel kind of left out. I have very little knowledge of it.

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

[Tiger337]

On 8/2/2025 at 12:16 PM, 1984Echoes said:

Where is the Motown Forums IN-DEPTH analysis of this guy we just traded for?

Is he any good?

Does he have 5 tools?

How many cousins does he have?

What was the name of his Venezuelan Little League team in 3rd grade?

The Maracay Margates?

What does his mom look like?

[romad1]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I don't think the situation here is particularly unique to Detroit, but it is a big city phenomenon in the sense that the big daily papers in the major pro sports cities had all built these impressive stables of deeply experienced sports reporters - in Detroit it was Jerry Green, Pete Waldemeir, Joe Falls, Watson Spoelstra and then the last of the local line, the late great Tom Kowalski. They were a kind of sports royalty in the 'golden age' years. But with the general collapse of the newspaper business, that is all gone. So fine, times change - but the guys at the papers now still want to bask in the afterglow of an institution that's gone. They don't have the experience, the access, or the institutional support to do what they still pretend to be able to do.

There was always an assumption that these local paper guys were mixing it up with the local color at places like the Lindell AC 

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/remembering-johnny-butsicaris-and-the-lindell-ac-bar/?srsltid=AfmBOoqzDqBtMQ5utDwoq3nSArmcSZBXX3UmY3q7dsOEac0hEFHxZzT7

I went to a party one time at Jennifer Hammond's home (apparently a roommate of my wife's law school friend) and saw a bunch of the local sports types just standing around like regular people at a party where they didn't know everyone and it was a little uncomfortable.   Van Earl Wright greeted Jennifer Hammond's mother like the Queen of England with southern hospitality.  Terry Foster and Jamie Samuelson were ripping off jokes about something or other that I can't remember.  

In short, I couldn't see that group having any special knowledge about anything.  Just a bunch of guys speculating and reporting what was told to them for the reasons that helped the teller.  

[HugoD]

3 hours ago, holygoat said:

It's probably Albom's winning combination of sanctimony, saccharine and theater-kid dramaticism. Oblong nailed it years ago on the old board: "The Mustard Pack Was Still There..."

Ha - you described it perfectly! Also, @oblong example is spot on. I laughed out loud at that.

[Tenacious D]

10 minutes ago, romad1 said:

There was always an assumption that these local paper guys were mixing it up with the local color at places like the Lindell AC 

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/remembering-johnny-butsicaris-and-the-lindell-ac-bar/?srsltid=AfmBOoqzDqBtMQ5utDwoq3nSArmcSZBXX3UmY3q7dsOEac0hEFHxZzT7

I went to a party one time at Jennifer Hammond's home (apparently a roommate of my wife's law school friend) and saw a bunch of the local sports types just standing around like regular people at a party where they didn't know everyone and it was a little uncomfortable.   Van Earl Wright greeted Jennifer Hammond's mother like the Queen of England with southern hospitality.  Terry Foster and Jamie Samuelson were ripping off jokes about something or other that I can't remember.  

In short, I couldn't see that group having any special knowledge about anything.  Just a bunch of guys speculating and reporting what was told to them for the reasons that helped the teller.  

They just have access.  And some knowledge has probably rubbed off along the way.  But I think they are more Champ Kind than Bill James.

WHAMMY!!!

[Hongbit]

Hopefully things end up better for Morton than it did the last C-Mo we had.  

[1984Echoes]

On 8/3/2025 at 5:01 PM, Tiger337 said:

What does his mom look like?

Well... obviously, this is the KEY question!!!