NFL General Comments 2025 Season

[holygoat]

What's going on in Philly? First Za'Darius Smith, and now Jaire Alexander. 

[Jason_R]

Florio and Simms this morning: Stafford is not only on HOF trajectory, he is forcing himself into the conversation about the all time greats at QB. 

[Motown Bombers]

Goff: He needs a good team around him and McVay to be successful. That’s why we need Stafford. 
 

Stafford was 0-3 in the playoffs in 12 years. That’s because he didn’t have a good team around him and a coach like McVay. Hall of fame. 

[Jason_R]

We all watched Stafford every week and knew he had unmatched arm talent and toughness. It is a shame he didn’t have a more talented roster around him. Glad he won one, and if the Lions don’t win it, I’ll be pulling for him  

 

[Motown Bombers]

I can’t wait until the Lions play the Rams and the Goff chants take over Sofi and Stafford has to use the silent count. 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, Jason_R said:

Florio and Simms this morning: Stafford is not only on HOF trajectory, he is forcing himself into the conversation about the all time greats at QB. 

Top 10. The guy had a great career.

[MichiganCardinal]

It’s a rare kind of quarterback who can overcome bad coaching, a bad roster, and bad management to survive in this league, but Stafford shows it’s possible. To that end, I give him a lot of credit. He’s tough as nails and a really good quarterback.

But to the extent he’s revered by some in this town as God’s gift to Detroit football for a decade, I don’t get it. He was never good enough to lead us to win a playoff game, or even a division. And if the counter is that he was good enough, then he needed to do it. Guys like Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow have played in conference championship games. Teams like the 2024-2025 Commanders have played in one.

Goff is and always will be miles above him in my mind as the power rankings of Detroit QBs goes.

Edited 13 hours ago by MichiganCardinal

[Jason_R]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

It’s a rare kind of quarterback who can overcome bad coaching, a bad roster, and bad management to survive in this league, but Stafford shows it’s possible. To that end, I give him a lot of credit. He’s tough as nails and a really good quarterback.

But to the extent he’s revered by some in this town as God’s gift to Detroit football for a decade, I don’t get it. He was never good enough to lead us to win a playoff game, or even a division. And if the counter is that he was good enough, then he needed to do it. Guys like Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow have played in conference championship games. Teams like the 2024-2025 Commanders have played in one.

Goff is and always will be miles above him in my mind as the power rankings of Detroit QBs goes.

Today, for a single game, would I swap Goff for Stafford? Absolutely, no questions asked. 

Today, would I trade Goff for Stafford straight up? I would consider it but no. Stafford’s back is too fragile at this point. 

As a fan base we may end up (and may already have ended up) preferring Goff over Stafford and that is perfectly reasonable due to the unprecedented success we have had under Goff. But let’s not kid ourselves, Stafford would also dominate with this roster. 

[MichiganCardinal]

19 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

Today, for a single game, would I swap Goff for Stafford? Absolutely, no questions asked. 

Today, would I trade Goff for Stafford straight up? I would consider it but no. Stafford’s back is too fragile at this point. 

As a fan base we may end up (and may already have ended up) preferring Goff over Stafford and that is perfectly reasonable due to the unprecedented success we have had under Goff. But let’s not kid ourselves, Stafford would also dominate with this roster. 

I wouldn't. I think Goff is the perfect QB for this team and for this city.

[gehringer_2]

5 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I wouldn't. I think Goff is the perfect QB for this team and for this city.

it's the paradox of QBs. For most athletes, physical ability is the bottom line. NFL QB is one where the mental part of the game is just as important, and you can't see it on field like you can a great throw or scramble for a 1st. It only shows up in the score at the end. Goff has plenty of arm and excellent accuracy, but otherwise he is not an exciting athlete to watch, so he just has be satisfied with winning. 

[4hzglory]

48 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said:

I wouldn't. I think Goff is the perfect QB for this team and for this city.

I agree that Goff is, but I also think Stafford would be as they are fairly equal in pre-snap intelligence, and his toughness is/was perfect for Detroit.  Both completely healthy it's a toss-up IMO.  At this point in their careers, I definitely am glad to have Goff.

[Jason_R]

14 minutes ago, 4hzglory said:

I agree that Goff is, but I also think Stafford would be as they are fairly equal in pre-snap intelligence, and his toughness is/was perfect for Detroit.  Both completely healthy it's a toss-up IMO.  At this point in their careers, I definitely am glad to have Goff.

Yes, at this point in their careers I am glad to have Goff. 

I bet if you were to ask 100 players, coaches, GMs, and scouts who you would rather have in their prime, 100/100 would pick Stafford. Many of them would answer before you finished the question. 

[Stanley70]

Stafford is like the Nolan Ryan of QB's. He will go down as one of the greats and get into the hall of fame but at no point in his career was he considered to be one of the best 2 or 3 at this position. He has been very good for a very long time.  

Goff seems like he is more dependant on being in the correct offense with some talent around him. 

 

 

[sagnam]

21 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

The defender didn't even look back for the ball. He would have had to throw it really high right at some defenders. But then they could run it back....shoulda punted 

Just saw the play again. Didn’t actually overthrow it like I remembered. AJ Brown just didn’t put any effort into catching that pass at all. Wild. Probably should have punted. That would have been the safest bet. It also took the game out of his team’s hands, so I at least understand the thought. In this league, expecting your best WR to win a 1-on-1 or draw a DPI is not a terrible call, it’s just much more of a risk. Throwing the ball to your tantruming child of a WR was probably the bigger mistake. At least they found out they can’t count on him when the team absolutely needs him now, in a game they won in the middle of the season, rather than in an elimination game.

 

Probably should have just punted.

[MichiganCardinal]

27 minutes ago, sagnam said:

Just saw the play again. Didn’t actually overthrow it like I remembered. AJ Brown just didn’t put any effort into catching that pass at all. Wild. Probably should have punted. That would have been the safest bet. It also took the game out of his team’s hands, so I at least understand the thought. In this league, expecting your best WR to win a 1-on-1 or draw a DPI is not a terrible call, it’s just much more of a risk. Throwing the ball to your tantruming child of a WR was probably the bigger mistake. At least they found out they can’t count on him when the team absolutely needs him now, in a game they won in the middle of the season, rather than in an elimination game.

 

Probably should have just punted.

AJ Brown probably thought he was a decoy route, because he should have just been a decoy route. It was a stupid play.

The obvious move was to punt it and make the Love-led, weapons-less, offensive line-depleted Packers drive 60 yards in <30 seconds. Instead they threw an extremely low-percentage pass and made them drive 25 yards in like 35 seconds. It was seriously boneheaded. Lucky for Philly (and the rest of the NFC North), they only drove 20.

[sagnam]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

AJ Brown probably thought he was a decoy route, because he should have just been a decoy route. It was a stupid play.

The obvious move was to punt it and make the Love-led, weapons-less, offensive line-depleted Packers drive 60 yards in <30 seconds. Instead they threw an extremely low-percentage pass and made them drive 25 yards in like 35 seconds. It was seriously boneheaded. Lucky for Philly (and the rest of the NFC North), they only drove 20.

If it weren’t for all the AJ Brown drama I’d say you are right. But given his current mental state I’d say there’s more to it than that. I want to be clear that I don't think they were like, let’s test Brown’s commitment to the team here. I think they were just as surprised by his effort as the fans were the players call.

 

I'm pretty sure that breaking the huddle he knew the ball was coming. I think Brown just doesn’t give AF right now. Like his thought was you wait all game to get me the ball and now it’s this 50/50 ball.

 

i could be wrong. He did tell all his fantasy owners to drop him.

[sagnam]

2 hours ago, MichiganCardinal said:

AJ Brown probably thought he was a decoy route, because he should have just been a decoy route. It was a stupid play.

The obvious move was to punt it and make the Love-led, weapons-less, offensive line-depleted Packers drive 60 yards in <30 seconds. Instead they threw an extremely low-percentage pass and made them drive 25 yards in like 35 seconds. It was seriously boneheaded. Lucky for Philly (and the rest of the NFC North), they only drove 20.

Also, seems similar to the Lions Packers last year and going for it in 4th instead of kicking the tying field goal. The Lions were playing to win. Again, the play call was questionable on Monday, and while the play didn’t work the outcome was what they wanted.

 

The Lions’ play last year was almost a disaster too with Goff handing the ball off from one knee.

 

Sirainni is a questionable coach and they play was crap. I just don’t think the decision was that simple.

[Motor City Sonics]

21 hours ago, holygoat said:

What's going on in Philly? First Za'Darius Smith, and now Jaire Alexander. 

The ghost of Matt Patricia still lingers in the hallways in Philly.  

[MichiganCardinal]

1 hour ago, sagnam said:

Also, seems similar to the Lions Packers last year and going for it in 4th instead of kicking the tying field goal. The Lions were playing to win. Again, the play call was questionable on Monday, and while the play didn’t work the outcome was what they wanted.

 

The Lions’ play last year was almost a disaster too with Goff handing the ball off from one knee.

 

Sirainni is a questionable coach and they play was crap. I just don’t think the decision was that simple.

That Lions-Packers game was totally different though. If they had been going blow for blow on offense with a seriously depleted defense, I understand that move. It was also 4/1 and tied when Campbell did it. He trusted his offensive line to get him a yard.

I was 50/50 on Campbell doing it in that situation. I’m totally opposed to Sirianni doing it in his situation. And the play call he gave it makes it even worse. YMMV.

Edited 2 hours ago by MichiganCardinal