gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: Assuming your numbers are correct and looking at this in a vacuum, I would look at this as, you're paying $17.5MM for the baseline pitcher, which is totally worth it based strictly on his performance, and the other $22.5MM for incremental gameday ticket revenue. Of course, there is incremental gameday revenue outside of actual tickets his pitching days sell, not only concessions revenue on his gamedays, but incremental sales from days he's not pitching as the team is better and a better draw overall for having him on it. That would end up funding more than the remaining $17.5MM, I would guess. Of course OTOH, we could include the 5 yrs you have to pay him for when you are going to get nothing. 🫠 Edited October 28 by gehringer_2 Quote
chasfh Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: But if this is an issue, isn't it going to be an even bigger issue if he walks for nothing at the end of '26 as compared to getting some talent back this off-season? The players know the set-up as well as anyone. I assume most of them and us want the team to be able to continue to contend beyond '26? I'm not saying it's not a potential issue, just that you are going to face it either way - it's just a matter of when. TBC, Skubal does not walk for nothing unless we fail to make him a qualifying offer. Quote
chasfh Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Of course OTOH, we could include the 5 yrs you have to pay him for when you are going to get nothing. 🫠 I'm sure the number-crunchers would make sure any deal made would generate positive revenue versus expense. Maybe Mike would have demanded an extension by fiat, but it's not his team anymore. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Just now, chasfh said: I'm sure the number-crunchers would make sure any deal made would generate positive revenue versus expense. Maybe Mike would have demanded an extension by fiat, but it's not his team anymore. It's just such a stupid system where Team B ends up paying for the performance a guy already booked with Team A because Team A was able to vastly underpay him when he was performing. Nothing will make sense until they change it, and they probably won't. Quote
ToledoBrian Posted October 28 Posted October 28 3 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I don’t think fans want to see him go, but are resigned to it, so would like to see us get players in return. I don’t share this view—I’d prefer going all in for 2026. All in for 2026, you keep Skubal ( yeah, maybe he gets the injury bug this year, or the main piece in return for the trade does ?? ), every year is a c**p shoot each year. He is your best option to lead the team for 2026, each year is a whole new ballgame. Try to get Bichette, he can play SS for a couple years while you determine where McGonigle, Keith, Lee, Anderson play or get traded. A RH hitter for the OF. Then Dingler, Greene, Meadows / Clark ? , RH OF, Tork, Bichette, Torres / McGonigle / Keith. Skubal, #2 SP, Mize, Melton, Jobe (2nd half ?), Olson, Flaherty. Start there and see what flies or sinks.... 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Just now, gehringer_2 said: It's just such a stupid system where Team B ends up paying for the performance a guy already booked with Team A because Team A was able to vastly underpay him when he was performing. Nothing will make sense until they change it, and they probably won't. It would be extremely hard to as the vast majority of players aren't good enough to make it even a couple seasons. You can't pay them a huge amount more without taking $ away from the ones who have proven themselves, so unless you were to pay players all a minimum salary, and then a check at the end of the season based on their performance, I don't know how you would do it. For some that check could be $40 mil. For some it could be nothing. The current CBA does have some of that built in for non arbitration eligible players, and I would expect the amount in that pool to increase. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: minimum salary, and then a check at the end of the season based on their performance, I don't know how you would do it. For some that check could be $40 mil. For some it could be nothing. That's kind of a fun idea - the devil would be in the performance metrics. Could destroy team cohesion if done wrong. Quote
chasfh Posted October 28 Posted October 28 11 minutes ago, ToledoBrian said: All in for 2026, you keep Skubal ( yeah, maybe he gets the injury bug this year, or the main piece in return for the trade does ?? ), every year is a c**p shoot each year. Chip shoot? Comp shoot? Cusp shoot? Clap shoot? Am I close? 😉 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Harris already talked about not blocking young players so they probably don't go after any position players. Maybe a qualifying offer for Torres. If they don't pursue Torres they could sign Bregman without blocking McGongle (assuming they think he's going to be here in '26) because Baez can finish his contract in CF. Also have to wonder if Anderson is considered a serious prospect or not, '26 is probably now or never for him. Edited October 28 by gehringer_2 Quote
KL2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 26 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: If they don't pursue Torres they could sign Bregman without blocking McGongle (assuming they think he's going to be here in '26) because Baez can finish his contract in CF. Also have to wonder if Anderson is considered a serious prospect or not, '26 is probably now or never for him. i do wonfer if that Bregman bridge is burned a little bit after last year. Quote
ewsieg Posted October 28 Posted October 28 On 10/13/2025 at 12:42 AM, Nate7474 said: Looking at the Corbin Burnes trade with one year remaining I’m not sure you get anywhere near that return unless Skubal is willing to sign an extension. I don’t think he and his agent will allow for that and want to go thru free agency. Boras is already discussing an extension with the Tigers, he would have no issue doing that with another team. That said, Skubal would need to sign in order to get a better return. Otherwise he's just a rental and you might get more value from him at the deadline with a team willing to overpay for a rental. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 19 minutes ago, KL2 said: i do wonfer if that Bregman bridge is burned a little bit after last year. Yeah, that could certainly be true. Depends on how it ended. Was the deal just an 'honest' fail because Detroit wouldn't match Boston's last offer or did either side feel like trust had been violated or that they couldn't believe one another? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ewsieg said: Boras is already discussing an extension with the Tigers, he would have no issue doing that with another team. That said, Skubal would need to sign in order to get a better return. Otherwise he's just a rental and you might get more value from him at the deadline with a team willing to overpay for a rental. It's an iffy thing. There is no way to know if a playoff bound team with the money will also find themselves critically pitching short (i.e. an injury) enough to be willing to overpay that also has something you want/need. It's a narrow set of circumstances that all have to line up. You might get to the deadline and no good deal is there. So then I guess you are no worse off than if you had just decided to keep him going into the season. Edited October 28 by gehringer_2 Quote
ewsieg Posted October 28 Posted October 28 Exactly, there is no 'right' choice on pulling the trigger now vs pulling the trigger at the deadline. Much of it will depend on circumstances/injuries affecting other teams and what they determine to be their biggest need. Regardless, a guy in his prime coming off of 2 CY's will be the belle of the ball. I'm still in between on what I want to see done. Part of me says that if these prospects are as good as Harris keeps on indicating, you pay Skubal AND put a veteran bat or two in the lineup as well. Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 28 Posted October 28 3 hours ago, ewsieg said: Boras is already discussing an extension with the Tigers, he would have no issue doing that with another team. That said, Skubal would need to sign in order to get a better return. Otherwise he's just a rental and you might get more value from him at the deadline with a team willing to overpay for a rental. How do we know Boras is negotiating? I’ve read that the Tigers have made offers, which may or not be true, but do we know if Boras has countered with anything? 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted October 28 Posted October 28 31 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: How do we know Boras is negotiating? I’ve read that the Tigers have made offers, which may or not be true, but do we know if Boras has countered with anything? Exactly, all he made it known was that the offer prior to last season wasn’t close. From what I heard, it’s the writers that are saying the $400 mil (and thus $250 mil apart) number, even though that’s apples to oranges as his number may now be $400 mil, but it wasn’t likely last offseason with 2 arbitration years. (In which he will get paid a total of anr $30 mil). And a Tiger offer now would definitely be higher than last offseason. Quote
casimir Posted October 28 Posted October 28 As for 2026 position players: Dingler, C Rogers, C Torkelson, 1B Keith, 2B/3B Baez IF/OF McKinstry IF/OF Greene, LF Meadows, CF Carpenter, RF Vierling, 3B/OF Perez, OF That's 11 guys. Need a 2B and/or 3B. Probably another middle infielder? Ibanez, Sweeney, Jung, Malloy,.... unless they don't have minor league options and/or the Tigers need the 49 man spot, they're likely in trouble. I think you appreciate Jones' season and bid him adieu. Seasons like those are tough to repeat and he doesn't fit the defensive caliber. Bregman and Bichette are going to garner the free agency attention. Would Ha-Seong Kim be of interest if he opts out? Seems doubtful given his 2025 season and the $16M player option. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone from the above traded. I doubt that Torres would return on a qualifying offer. Skubal, Mize, Olson, Melton, Montero, Hurter, Holton, Vest, Gipson-Long,..... Madden, Brieske, Foley, Jobe, Guenther, Lange, Hanifee, Smith, maybe Urquidy,..... The pitching is an absolute pile up of names. I'm not sure what to make of it. The minor league options and health thing applies. I think they need a top side of the rotation SP and a couple of legit leverage RP. Not sure if that's enough. Finngean returning would be fine, but I wouldn't necessarily expect a repeat of what he did in Detroit. Olson's health issues and Mize's inconsistency, and Melton's lack of experience, and they just don't seem sold on Montero until they have to break glass. Quote
ewsieg Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 hours ago, Tenacious D said: How do we know Boras is negotiating? I’ve read that the Tigers have made offers, which may or not be true, but do we know if Boras has countered with anything? If Boras/Skubal have not even countered, then I want Hinch fired as well as Harris for not already firing Hinch for not sending him out for the 8th inning. Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 29 Posted October 29 12 hours ago, ewsieg said: If Boras/Skubal have not even countered, then I want Hinch fired as well as Harris for not already firing Hinch for not sending him out for the 8th inning. 7th. Quote
theroundsquare Posted October 29 Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: 7th. why not both? 1 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted October 29 Posted October 29 I think Torres is coming back under the QO, which is fine. They need to add a RH bat and it will be in CF or RF if they are looking to get playing time for McGonigle, Anderson and Lee in an already crowded IF. need to sign 2 SPS and 2 RPs - none on the Cobb or Maeda level division is there for the taking if they want it Quote
chasfh Posted October 29 Posted October 29 18 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: I think Torres is coming back under the QO, which is fine. They need to add a RH bat and it will be in CF or RF if they are looking to get playing time for McGonigle, Anderson and Lee in an already crowded IF. need to sign 2 SPS and 2 RPs - none on the Cobb or Maeda level division is there for the taking if they want it You don't think anyone signs Torres for more than a year? Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 29 Author Posted October 29 4 minutes ago, chasfh said: You don't think anyone signs Torres for more than a year? I don't think he'll take the offer, but the injury makes it less certain. I think he can still get a mult-year deal, but maybe not as many years or dollars as he could if he were completely healthy. It's plausible, he could take the QO and then get a better contract after next year. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 29 Posted October 29 4 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think he'll take the offer, but the injury makes it less certain. I think he can still get a mult-year deal, but maybe not as many years or dollars as he could if he were completely healthy. It's plausible, he could take the QO and then get a better contract after next year. I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. I doubt he will be offered a multiyear at near the AAV of the QO and if he likes it here he might decide getting more dollars assured up front is a conservative strategy. Or not. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted October 29 Posted October 29 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: You don't think anyone signs Torres for more than a year? with a QO attached, nope. He can bank the $22.5M, get rid of the QO, and hope for a healthier season in 2026. he was not good the 2nd half of the season. Quote
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