General Wings Comments 2025-26

[Mr.TaterSalad]

18 hours ago, buddha said:

there is no way san jose is giving up #2 for alex debrincat.

I'm going to quote this a second time to ask this question. If an under 30, in his prime, 80+ point winger like DeBrincat isn't worth the #2 overall pick, what player or type of player is?

[slothfacekilla]

12 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Are you interested in hitting the reset button on the rebuild? If so, do you want Cat around for the rebuild or would you rather maximize your draft capital and chances to tank?

I mean just read what you quoted haha.  I understand it isn't everyone's preferred strategy but I don't want to tear the team down to nothing and he's the type of player that I would want around rookies and younger players: a dude who gives a **** and plays above his height/weight because he wants to win.

And I agree with buddha, you aren't getting the second overall pick for him.  That's a better return than the two other trades involving him and he's only older now.  I would trade him for the second overall pick no questions asked though.

[gehringer_2]

10 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

I mean just read what you quoted haha.  I understand it isn't everyone's preferred strategy but I don't want to tear the team down to nothing and he's the type of player that I would want around rookies and younger players: a dude who gives a **** and plays above his height/weight because he wants to win.

And I agree with buddha, you aren't getting the second overall pick for him.  That's a better return than the two other trades involving him and he's only older now.  I would trade him for the second overall pick no questions asked though.

All I can say is if 'Cat isn't worth a 2nd round pick, than the degree of fail of the Wings org in not consistently bringing 2nd round picks to the Wings that are even half as good as 'Cat has to be called out for the epic fail it must be. One or the other must be true.

Edited 23 hours ago by gehringer_2

[slothfacekilla]

Just now, gehringer_2 said:

All I can say is if 'Cat isn't worth a 2nd round pick, than the degree of fail of the Wings org in not bringing any 2nd round picks to the Wings that are even half as good as 'Cat has to be called out for the epic fail it must be. On or the other must be true.

 

 

I think you need to re-read the discussions, no one is discussing a second round pick........

[buddha]

2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm going to quote this a second time to ask this question. If an under 30, in his prime, 80+ point winger like DeBrincat isn't worth the #2 overall pick, what player or type of player is?

hey, it never hurts to ask...

but realistically, you would have to include edvinsson for any deal for the #2 pick.  the #2 pick is a cost controlled, below market conteact for a number of years for a player who should have a longer career than debrincat has left.

debrincat is a scoring winger.  a small one.  and he is at the end of jis prime.  you dont give up a potential franchise player for a small, scoring winger.

[buddha]

2 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

All I can say is if 'Cat isn't worth a 2nd round pick, than the degree of fail of the Wings org in not consistently bringing 2nd round picks to the Wings that are even half as good as 'Cat has to be called out for the epic fail it must be. One or the other must be true.

the #2 pick in the draft, not a second round pick.

you will go way out of your way to criticize steve yzerman.  lol.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

8 minutes ago, buddha said:

hey, it never hurts to ask...

but realistically, you would have to include edvinsson for any deal for the #2 pick.  the #2 pick is a cost controlled, below market conteact for a number of years for a player who should have a longer career than debrincat has left.

debrincat is a scoring winger.  a small one.  and he is at the end of jis prime.  you dont give up a potential franchise player for a small, scoring winger.

85 point players don't grow on trees. Given that they are ready to start winning now with Celebrini, a skilled, scoring winger like DeBrincat may be the perfect partner for him. I'm certainly open to trading DeBrincat because I want to (and think we need to) rebuild the rebuild at this point.

Edited 20 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[buddha]

4 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

85 point players don't grow on trees. Given that they are ready to start winning now with Celebrini, a skilled, scoring winger like DeBrincat may be the perfect partner for him. I'm certainly open to trading DeBrincat because I want to (and think we need to) rebuild the rebuild at this point.

ok, i think you would get a decent return for him, but not the #2 pick in the draft.  he's also 28, is small, and doesnt play a premium position.

[buddha]

i want them to trade larkin for some 23-25 year old talent and a couple picks and re-sign debrincat.

[slothfacekilla]

I can't stop daydreaming about a return like Iginla/Desnoyers, Simashev and Peterka from Utah.  I have to have some sort of hope before reality actually kicks in!

[slothfacekilla]

Seider 11th in Hart voting, pretty cool

[Shinzaki]

If San Jose is in play for Larkin...I'll take that #2 pick and Misa

[buddha]

35 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

If San Jose is in play for Larkin...I'll take that #2 pick and Misa

lol.  me too!

[Mr.TaterSalad]

32 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

If San Jose is in play for Larkin...I'll take that #2 pick and Misa

I'll shout it from the rooftops that San Jose is the trade partner I want and the #2 pick overall is what I want. This rebuild has been a failure. Nibbling around the edges and adding mid-level players or trading Larking for another version of Larkin won't cut it. They need to make wholesale changes this roster. That could mean gutting it and doing a full scale rebuild to get a true #1 center, capable of producing 90+ points in a season. It could also mean continuing to try and win now, but bring in 3 full lines of scoring depth, more forechecking and toughness to make it more of a Carolina, Florida, or Vegas type of roster. If they simply trade Larkin for another NHL player on his level or do a 2 for 1 trade where that get two players, not quite as good as Larkin, but equal to him combined, that will keep us stuck in neutral. You have two choices, team tank and rebuild or team revamp but keep trying to win. I'm on team tank and rebuild at this point. I don't think there are enough players out there via a trade, free agency, or in our farm system to add the scoring depth we need to the second/third lines. Nor are there enough out there to add the forechecking skill and toughness we need. Nor are we going to goalie our way to the playoffs and a Stanley Cup anytime soon.

[slothfacekilla]

1 hour ago, Shinzaki said:

If San Jose is in play for Larkin...I'll take that #2 pick and Misa

Are you sure you wouldn't want them to throw Celebrini in too to make it more even?

[lordstanley]

16 hours ago, slothfacekilla said:

Seider 11th in Hart voting, pretty cool

So none of the 27 players who got MVP votes are playing in the Stanley Cup Final.

[slothfacekilla]

3 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

So none of the 27 players who got MVP votes are playing in the Stanley Cup Final.

We should trade Seider

[Shinzaki]

16 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Are you sure you wouldn't want them to throw Celebrini in too to make it more even?

When Eichel was dealt he had a creer high of 82 points and a bad neck.  Eichel and a 3rd netted Buffalo Tuch, Krebs and 1st and a 2nd.  If anything...I'm letting the Sharks off light

[slothfacekilla]

5 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

When Eichel was dealt he had a creer high of 82 points and a bad neck.  Eichel and a 3rd netted Buffalo Tuch, Krebs and 1st and a 2nd.  If anything...I'm letting the Sharks off light

Jack Eichel was 24 and Larkin has never hit 80 points in his career.  The first round pick was 18th overall.  

Meanwhile you're talking about the second overall pick (in a draft where the top 2 players are fantastic prospects) and Misa who was considered one of the best prospects in the entire league?  Tuch is a good player but he was never the same level prospect as Misa.  Krebs had plenty of warts which we've seen play out in his career where he's settled in as a less than 40 point player who is bad at defense.

I admire your optimism but I think you're going to be very sad with the trade return if this is what you're expecting.  I'll give you your kudos if something like this happens but.....it seems insane to me.

[slothfacekilla]

Someone on the hfboards who seems to be plugged in somehow said that the Wings have discussed trading Edvinsson to the Sharks??? If that's true then I could see some sort of package around that bringing back 2nd overall or Misa.  Was kinda shocked to read that though.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

26 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Jack Eichel was 24 and Larkin has never hit 80 points in his career.  The first round pick was 18th overall.  

Meanwhile you're talking about the second overall pick (in a draft where the top 2 players are fantastic prospects) and Misa who was considered one of the best prospects in the entire league?  Tuch is a good player but he was never the same level prospect as Misa.  Krebs had plenty of warts which we've seen play out in his career where he's settled in as a less than 40 point player who is bad at defense.

I admire your optimism but I think you're going to be very sad with the trade return if this is what you're expecting.  I'll give you your kudos if something like this happens but.....it seems insane to me.

When Eichel was traded to Vegas, Buffalo got Tuch AND a first round pick back in return. I think the trade proposal with San Jose would just be Larkin straight up for the #2 overall pick. Not adding a quality NHL ready player to the deal, like an Alex Tuch, changes the asking price I would think. Thus, making our ability to get the #2 overall pick for Larkin that much more feasible.

[buddha]

jesus, i thought "i" overvalued dylan larkin...

[buddha]

19 minutes ago, slothfacekilla said:

Someone on the hfboards who seems to be plugged in somehow said that the Wings have discussed trading Edvinsson to the Sharks??? If that's true then I could see some sort of package around that bringing back 2nd overall or Misa.  Was kinda shocked to read that though.

larkin and edvinsson for misa or #2 plus a player has been posited by some people.

sharks need a top defenseman.

[buddha]

eichel was 24 at the time of the trade and a better player than larkin.  he waa also coming off experimental surgery which is why he went for aa low as he did.

and he got the 16th pick in the draft in return, not the #2 pick in the draft.  when was the last team that traded a top 2 pick for a 30 year old?

[slothfacekilla]

I'll drop it since I don't want to be a downer, I really wish I had this sort of optimism in me!