pfife Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 33 minutes ago, mtutiger said: I mean, there are things Trump could do as well to deescalate the conflict. But that's not going to happen as he's shown himself completely unable to pivot in his second term. We can talk theoretically about how things can improve between now and November, but that would require an administration that actually responded to the signals the population give off about unpopular policies. And by all accounts, Trump doesn't give a **** about what the population thinks about the Iran War or gas prices or ICE or anything. Iran also knows what will hurt and help trump in november and will presumably factor that into their decision making Quote
chasfh Posted 46 minutes ago Author Posted 46 minutes ago 11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: he's running as a progressive, completely the opposite of Fetterman, who ran as a conservative dem. I'm with MTU - not my state, not my fight, but I'm glad you guys don't vote in Maine. 😕 Why are you glad I don't vote in Maine? Quote
chasfh Posted 35 minutes ago Author Posted 35 minutes ago 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: I mean, there are things Trump could do as well to deescalate the conflict. This is like asking a bear to de-escalate wanting to eat you in the woods. At the risk of yet again being accused of hailing Trump as an evil genius, I'm pretty sure he is accomplishing pretty much what we wants to, which is making a lot of money for himself and his allies from the chaos and disorder, and he's enjoying the results so far. I think we're well beyond seriously ascribing to him any statesman-like intentions such as seeking to contain global conflict. Quote
chasfh Posted 30 minutes ago Author Posted 30 minutes ago 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: I hadn't been thinking this would happen, but the deeper this civic war of mid-decade redistricting gets, the more likely Trump declares some sort of national emergency pertaining specifically to Democrats engaging in gerrymandering to criminal levels, or something along those lines. After all, how on-brand it would be for him to demand the arrest and detention of Democrat lawmakers for doing the very same things Republicans are doing, even in forced retaliation? Quote
oblong Posted 29 minutes ago Posted 29 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: This is like asking a bear to de-escalate wanting to eat you in the woods. At the risk of yet again being accused of hailing Trump as an evil genius, I'm pretty sure he is accomplishing pretty much what we wants to, which is making a lot of money for himself and his allies from the chaos and disorder, and he's enjoying the results so far. I think we're well beyond seriously ascribing to him any statesman-like intentions such as seeking to contain global conflict. I agree with you mostly. Trump doesn't care about electoral politics anymore. He's not beholden to the GOP. He wasn't before 2016. He doesn't need them. He doesn't need voters. His only goal is satisfying his ego and enriching himself and his family. He doesn't care about what happens to Vance or Rubio or anybody else who might run in '28. He doesn't even care if the GOP loses congress. Quote
romad1 Posted 24 minutes ago Posted 24 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, oblong said: I agree with you mostly. Trump doesn't care about electoral politics anymore. He's not beholden to the GOP. He wasn't before 2016. He doesn't need them. He doesn't need voters. His only goal is satisfying his ego and enriching himself and his family. He doesn't care about what happens to Vance or Rubio or anybody else who might run in '28. He doesn't even care if the GOP loses congress. He wants to stave off more impeachments/investigations but since he’s mostly thinking it will all work out for him in the end because of his deal with Satan, he’s not really worried. Quote
chasfh Posted 18 minutes ago Author Posted 18 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, oblong said: I agree with you mostly. Trump doesn't care about electoral politics anymore. He's not beholden to the GOP. He wasn't before 2016. He doesn't need them. He doesn't need voters. His only goal is satisfying his ego and enriching himself and his family. He doesn't care about what happens to Vance or Rubio or anybody else who might run in '28. He doesn't even care if the GOP loses congress. I think he'd rather have a pliant Republican Congressional majority than a noisy oppositional Democratic majority, especially if they keep impeachment on the table for the ensuing two years. BTW, I do think within the range of outcomes is that Democrats take the House and Senate and, assuming they get seated, by the time the 2028 election is nigh, bring enough Republican senators on board for a successful impeachment of Trump. By that time they will have drained as much money as they're gonna get out of a Trump regime anyway, and they will finally be legitimately fatigued by the constant mayhem, so that might be the time they will want to flush MAGA control of the part ydown the toilet, especially to save their own electoral chances. It might even be the surprise October Surprise. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted 17 minutes ago Posted 17 minutes ago Platner had a Nazi tattoo for close to 20 years and then played dumb when he got caught with it. He also has a long history of racist and hateful social media posts. Why in the hell is this the guy Democrats have decided to rally behind? Quote
romad1 Posted 15 minutes ago Posted 15 minutes ago The AI Oligarchs will make their move when they decide he’s no longer serving their interests Quote
Motown Bombers Posted 13 minutes ago Posted 13 minutes ago 1 minute ago, GalagaGuy said: Platner had a Nazi tattoo for close to 20 years and then played dumb when he got caught with it. He also has a long history of racist and hateful social media posts. Why in the hell is this the guy Democrats have decided to rally behind? Because he’s young, wears flannel, and has a beavers ass on his face. He has new ideas we haven’t heard yet. The pod bros like him. Quote
mtutiger Posted 11 minutes ago Posted 11 minutes ago 20 minutes ago, chasfh said: This is like asking a bear to de-escalate wanting to eat you in the woods. At the risk of yet again being accused of hailing Trump as an evil genius, I'm pretty sure he is accomplishing pretty much what we wants to, which is making a lot of money for himself and his allies from the chaos and disorder, and he's enjoying the results so far. I think we're well beyond seriously ascribing to him any statesman-like intentions such as seeking to contain global conflict. Just because he's a bear wanting to eat you in the woods doesn't mean that he shouldn't be held to account in the same way that a normal President would be. And one of the expectations of a normal Presidency would be that it is *their* responsibility to bring an end to crises or to recognize their mistakes and pivot. The fact that it is impossible to imagine him doing any of these things does not relieve him of the expectation that should be had for all Presidents in a situation like this. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 7 minutes ago Posted 7 minutes ago 27 minutes ago, chasfh said: This is like asking a bear to de-escalate wanting to eat you in the woods. I'll take the bear. Quote
mtutiger Posted 7 minutes ago Posted 7 minutes ago 5 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: Platner had a Nazi tattoo for close to 20 years and then played dumb when he got caught with it. He also has a long history of racist and hateful social media posts. Why in the hell is this the guy Democrats have decided to rally behind? That's really a question for voters in Maine, isn't it? Again, they put forward a candidate in Janet Mills someone who is too old and clearly didn't have the heart to run the kind of race that she needed to in order to win. Voters notice these things, no amount of money or ads or what have you was going to change the fact that Mainers weren't going to support her in the numbers needed to win the nomination. I share a lot of the same concerns that you and MB have about Platner, I really do.... but given how it all played out, it's just not surprising at all. Quote
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