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A little something I'm working on... I'm calling it PAWS, not sure what P stands for, but it is a Tigers-specific version of JAWS. I'm hoping to have a live tracker ready for opening day, but as a teaser, the top 10 (and ties) catchers* in Tigers history.

Catcher First Year Last Year PAWS
Bill Freehan 1961 1976 67.5
Lance Parrish 1977 1986 49.4
Mickey Tettleton 1991 1994 29.3
Johnny Bassler 1921 1927 27.9
Ivan Rodriguez 2004 2008 26.4
Alex Avila 2009 2017 24.2
Mickey Cochrane 1934 1937 22.9
Brad Ausmus 1996 2000 15.4
Matt Nokes 1986 1990 13.3
Red Wilson 1954 1960 12.2
John Wockenfuss 1974 1983 12.2

 

*Position defined by plurality of games played as a Tiger.

Jake Rogers is at 8.6, Dillon Dingler at 7.1.

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38 minutes ago, chasfh said:

OK, I’ll bite: 67.5 what?

JAWS is career WAR and WAR7 (Top 7 WAR years).

This is WAR and WAR4 with the Tigers, but a composite between Reference and Fangraphs.

(I have not factored in postseason yet, nor have I figured out a fair way to bump up War years, but I plan on tackling in time... Just getting the databases set up now)

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chasfh Grand Master

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13 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

JAWS is career WAR and WAR7 (Top 7 WAR years).

This is WAR and WAR4 with the Tigers, but a composite between Reference and Fangraphs.

(I have not factored in postseason yet, nor have I figured out a fair way to bump up War years, but I plan on tackling in time... Just getting the databases set up now)

Interesting—how are you weighting Reference vs Fangraphs? Is it different for pitchers versus position players? Also, are you using FG WAR for pitchers, or RA9-WAR at all? Sees to me it should be the former to match up with Reference, although RA9-WAR is much more results-oriented, which factors into Hall voting more than a WAR figure used more to project future performance.

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1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

A little something I'm working on... I'm calling it PAWS, not sure what P stands for, but it is a Tigers-specific version of JAWS. I'm hoping to have a live tracker ready for opening day, but as a teaser, the top 10 (and ties) catchers* in Tigers history.

Catcher First Year Last Year PAWS
Bill Freehan 1961 1976 67.5
Lance Parrish 1977 1986 49.4
Mickey Tettleton 1991 1994 29.3
Johnny Bassler 1921 1927 27.9
Ivan Rodriguez 2004 2008 26.4
Alex Avila 2009 2017 24.2
Mickey Cochrane 1934 1937 22.9
Brad Ausmus 1996 2000 15.4
Matt Nokes 1986 1990 13.3
Red Wilson 1954 1960 12.2
John Wockenfuss 1974 1983 12.2

 

*Position defined by plurality of games played as a Tiger.

Jake Rogers is at 8.6, Dillon Dingler at 7.1.

No Duke Sims tells me your data is flawed.

Tiger337 Grand Master

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This is really interesting.  Producing a live tracker is not something I have done before, so I am curious .  Are you using excel to do this? The hardest part would seem to be getting data from sites automatically.  How are you dealing with baseball-reference which doesn't allow aotomated scraping?  

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48 minutes ago, casimir said:

Yes.

OT, but I've been looking at audio amps recently. I still have a class B rig (110 W/ch RMS) I built years ago and all the new stuff is class D, and it's actually not always easy to get an answer to that question. In large part because the Class D people feel it's irrelevant for class D amps.

Edman85 Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

This is really interesting.  Producing a live tracker is not something I have done before, so I am curious .  Are you using excel to do this? The hardest part would seem to be getting data from sites automatically.  How are you dealing with baseball-reference which doesn't allow aotomated scraping?  

May not be live live, but I'm pretty sure I can use power query and force it a .csv, which wouldn't take very long. 

Edman85 Grand Master

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Shortstop!

Shortstop First Year Last Year PAWS
Alan Trammell 1977 1996 94.4
Donie Bush 1908 1921 59.1
Billy Rogell 1930 1939 44.0
Harvey Kuenn 1952 1959 37.8
Carlos Guillen 2004 2011 34.9
Topper Rigney 1922 1925 20.4
Jhonny Peralta 2010 2013 19.6
Kid Elberfeld 1901 1903 16.7
Johnny Lipon 1942 1952 13.5
Jose Iglesias 2013 2018 12.7

 

Baez at 7.2, Sweeney -0.6... McKinstry's going to count at 3B, but could slide over here this year, and is at 10.0 at the moment.

Edman85 Grand Master

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Center field!

Centerfielder First Year Last Year PAWS
Ty Cobb 1905 1926 186.6
Chet Lemon 1982 1990 62.2
Curtis Granderson 2004 2009 39.8
Austin Jackson 2010 2014 35.0
Jimmy Barrett 1901 1905 29.3
Barney McCosky 1939 1946 27.9
Hoot Evers 1941 1954 26.5
Ron LeFlore 1974 1979 26.3
Mickey Stanley 1964 1978 23.5
Heinie Manush 1923 1927 23.1

 

Current Tigers:

  • Riley Greene 20.9 (Will slide over to the LF List this year, more than likely)
  • Matt Vierling 8.2
  • Parker Meadows 6.7
Sports_Freak Grand Master

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On 2/14/2026 at 1:13 PM, gehringer_2 said:

OT, but I've been looking at audio amps recently. I still have a class B rig (110 W/ch RMS) I built years ago and all the new stuff is class D, and it's actually not always easy to get an answer to that question. In large part because the Class D people feel it's irrelevant for class D amps.

Even more OT. Speaking of building your own rig, my brother is STILL using his Heathkit he built in 1967! I dont know how many watts it is but it really get floor rattling loud.

Tiger337 Grand Master

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4 hours ago, Edman85 said:

@Tiger337

I was just able to do some scraping from BR...

It can be done, but they don't allow it.  Whether they do anything about it probably depends on what you do with it, like if you try to sell it.  

Edman85 Grand Master

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Last one for a bit, working down the defensive spectrum...

Second Baseman First Year Last Year PAWS
Charlie Gehringer 1924 1942 113.8
Lou Whitaker 1977 1995 94.5
D ick McAuliffe 1960 1973 56.9
Ian Kinsler 2014 2017 33.9
Placido Polanco 2005 2009 33.4
Damion Easley 1996 2002 30.7
Frank Bolling 1954 1960 22.5
Jim Delahanty 1909 1912 15.1
Jerry Priddy 1950 1953 13.8
Eddie Mayo 1944 1948 13.6

Keith at 6.1, but will likely move to another position plurality before long. Torres at 5.5.

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1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Last one for a bit, working down the defensive spectrum...

Second Baseman First Year Last Year PAWS
Charlie Gehringer 1924 1942 113.8
Lou Whitaker 1977 1995 94.5
D ick McAuliffe 1960 1973 56.9
Ian Kinsler 2014 2017 33.9
Placido Polanco 2005 2009 33.4
Damion Easley 1996 2002 30.7
Frank Bolling 1954 1960 22.5
Jim Delahanty 1909 1912 15.1
Jerry Priddy 1950 1953 13.8
Eddie Mayo 1944 1948 13.6

Keith at 6.1, but will likely move to another position plurality before long. Torres at 5.5.

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