Motown Bombers Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Establishment Dems are supporting Mamdani even though leftists **** on Jeffries all the time. Quote
mtutiger Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: the problem is you would never know it listening to people like AOC. They haven't learned the art of supporting the team while playing your own game on the side. It's a curious paradox that diversity of person is such a mantra from the the prog left, which is fine, but they love ideological conformity just as much as any other movement. It's worth noting that AOC was about as vocally supportive as anybody of Joe Biden as the walls were caving in post-debate last year. So I think she's more of a team player than you are giving her credit for. 1 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: this is good baseline; if they do something this stupid and useless, when he ran on "kitchen table" issues, that would be a really bad sign Again, having watched BJ operate in Chicago for a few years now, I'm going to take the way under on Mamdani being anywhere near as bad as BJ. Just an otherworldly incompetent politician.... Pritzker has had to bail his ass out so many times. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, mtutiger said: It's worth noting that AOC was about as vocally supportive as anybody of Joe Biden as the walls were caving in post-debate last year. So I think she's more of a team player than you are giving her credit for. I do give her credit for playing the 2024 election well, but I'm on her spamming list - so I get some kind email almost daily, the stuff she is sending recently does not strike me as very useful for building a better winning coalition. Of course IMV, the time she has spent on the NYC mayoralty is a diversion anyway. I can't think of anyone from the NY mayors office from either party in recent decades who has successfully used that as a springboard to becoming a national leader/winning Federal office. Maybe MB should be happy if Mamdani wins in NYC because it probably means he will be politically cul-del-sac'd. Edited June 25 by gehringer_2 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 25 Posted June 25 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I do give her credit for playing the 2024 election well, but I'm on her spamming list - so I get some kind email almost daily, the stuff she is sending recently does not strike me as very useful for building a better winning coalition. Of course IMV, the time she has spent on the NYC mayoralty is a diversion anyway. I can't think of anyone from the NY mayors office from either party in recent decades who has successfully used that as a springboard to becoming a national leader/winning Federal office. Maybe MB should be happy if Mamdani wins in NYC because it probably means he will be politically cul-del-sac'd. Giuliani was a front runner in 2008 until Biden ripped his soul out in the Democratic debate. I think that's why Giuliani has had it out for Biden. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 25 Posted June 25 So because someone on the far left won a primary against a disgraced democrat, that means AOC can win all the swing states in 2028. Is that what some are getting at? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Just now, GalagaGuy said: So because someone on the far left won a primary against a disgraced democrat, that means AOC can win all the swing states in 2028. Is that what some are getting at? Its emboldens them now to push El-Sayed on Michigan voters. When he inevitably loses, they will claim it was rigged. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Giuliani was a front runner in 2008 until Biden ripped his soul out in the Democratic debate. I think that's why Giuliani has had it out for Biden. Guliani has always been a charlatan, his prosecutions were always politically motivated (even if the 5 families prosecution was a good one anyway), hiring Bratton was probably his best career move and it was notable he fired him when the police dept (and Stratton) starting getting too much credit for their police work.... Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Good luck nearly doubling the minimum wage and raising taxes to pay for free childcare and rent free government housing he is promising. The baby baskets are done in places like Finland. That could probably work. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted June 25 Posted June 25 I'm not an economist but I'm pretty sure a $30 minimum wage would destroy the economy in a matter of weeks. As for free childcare, how exactly would that work? Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 26 Posted June 26 19 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: I'm not an economist but I'm pretty sure a $30 minimum wage would destroy the economy in a matter of weeks. As for free childcare, how exactly would that work? I'm guessing you leave the child at the government run grocery store. 3 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Does NYC have statutory authority under NY state law to tell businesses what to pay? I'd expect if he campaigned on it the city does but the American voter is ignorant enough I don't take something like that as a guarantee anymore. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 26 Posted June 26 9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Does NYC have statutory authority under NY state law to tell businesses what to pay? I'd expect if he campaigned on it the city does but the American voter is ignorant enough I don't take something like that as a guarantee anymore. New York City has a higher minimum wage than New York State so I presume yes. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 26 Posted June 26 The irony is, the working class who would likely benefit most from a minimum wage increase, went for Cuomo. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: The irony is, the working class who would likely benefit most from a minimum wage increase, went for Cuomo. because they know that that kind of policy can't work for them in reality. Now if he ends up settling for a 10% increase, that's the kind of thing that could have a positive result. *IF*. But if he practices all-or-nothing politics he either gets nothing or he does get what he wants and closes every restaurant and mom and pop business in NYC Edited June 26 by gehringer_2 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 26 Posted June 26 14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: because they know that that kind of policy can't work for them in reality. Now if he ends up settling for a 10% increase, that's the kind of thing that could have a positive result. *IF*. But if he practices all-or-nothing politics he either gets nothing or he does get what he wants and closes every restaurant and mom and pop business in NYC He voted against ghost guns and against revenge porn because the bills weren't pure enough, so I don't have much hope for that. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: I'm not an economist but I'm pretty sure a $30 minimum wage would destroy the economy in a matter of weeks. As for free childcare, how exactly would that work? well that is the same argument that has been made since forever and since 2009 - we cannot increase the minimum wage because it would destroy the economy and cause massive inflation, so, while corporate profits and executive pay soar, you need to keep working for the same minimum wage that is now OLDER than Uber and Instagram. NYC's will be $17 next year, so it would take a few years to get to $30 Edited June 26 by RatkoVarda 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: well that is the same argument that has been made since forever and since 2009 - we cannot increase the minimum wage because it would destroy the economy and cause massive inflation, so, while corporate profits and executive pay soar, you need to keep working for the same minimum wage that is now OLDER than Uber and Instagram. NYC's will be $17 next year, so it would take a few years to get to $30 It's not a yes/no proposition. it depends 100% on how far and how fast. To just say $30 - which is more than 4x the Federal rate, and not know what inflation does or doesn't do over the time period of the increase or what adjoining jurisdictions or the State of NY (otherwise known as your business competition) do, you are talking about the possibility of dislocation. The when you are talking $7.25 to say $12.00 and do it at the federal level where the guy across the street is not exempt, you are in a whole different world in terms of effects - or lack of them. The level of impact of an increase does go to zero when you are starting at low rates and making relatively small increases. In general US MW has always been so low and the increases so small that people who argue they are the end of world are always wrong - no argument there, but that doesn't mean there isn't a place where the level and difference won't have an effect. Economics is always about degrees. That's why it will be a measure of Mandani's actual political/economic acumen. It's not where you start, it's where you finish (assuming he eventually wins). Edited June 26 by gehringer_2 Quote
pfife Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Since its where you finish that matters why are people here trashing him before he begins Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 minute ago, pfife said: Since its where you finish that matters why are people here trashing him before he begins meh - he'd probably be disappointed if they didn't. Bomb throwing is a valid political strategy (look at DJT) and getting the reaction from the right people is part of the strategy. Quote
pfife Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Well i dont think that addresses the oxymoron but i do find it interesting that folks have self selected into the same ctitiques as maga 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted June 26 Posted June 26 Guess we can rule out Pritzker as a presidential candidate. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted June 27 Posted June 27 My wife is from the class of 1976, the first female class to graduate from UVa..They want to go back to the late '60s, all white all male, all assholes Quote
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