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[Hongbit]

What’s next is becoming a constituent of a Republican Senator spreading the maga agenda on your behalf.  

[pfife]

I agree that you believe that

[Mr.TaterSalad]

33 minutes ago, pfife said:

This post is absolutely outrageous. 

The audacity you have to inform yourself and then push it so far overboard that you use that information to have your own opinion about your own vote?

What next are you going to work your ass off for the dem nominee whoever it is AGAIN????

I'm sorry for voting based on policy positions and stances on issues. Next time I'll make sure to vote based on who does and doesn't like Hasan Piker and who is acceptable to Chuck Schumer. I'll also make sure to do no research into the candidates on the issues. For the record, when he ran for Governor in 2018, I actually voted for Gretchen Whitmer in the primary over him.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

16 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

What’s next is becoming a constituent of a Republican Senator spreading the maga agenda on your behalf.  

I don't want to put words in your mouth and make a bad faith argument here. So rather than assume I'll ask, what is it about Abdul in your eyes that makes him unelectable? I've met the guy a dozen times and he is one of the most affable, jovial, likable, personable human beings you will ever meet. The dude radiates charisma and is full of charm. He's a really strong public speaker and does a great job relating to the room he's in and explaining his positions on issues.

[Motown Bombers]

9 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I don't want to put words in your mouth and make a bad faith argument here. So rather than assume I'll ask, what is it about Abdul in your eyes that makes him unelectable? I've met the guy a dozen times and he is one of the most affable, jovial, likable, personable human beings you will ever meet. The dude radiates charisma and is full of charm. He's a really strong public speaker and does a great job relating to the room he's in and explaining his positions on issues.

The fact that he got dog walked by Whitmer, supported defund the police, made misogynist comments about McMorrow, his chief of security resigned because of his antisemitism, campaigns with a guy who said we deserved 9/11, dabbles in election denial, and can only talk vaguely about Medicare for All that will never get passed. 

[Motown Bombers]

23 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I'm sorry for voting based on policy positions and stances on issues. Next time I'll make sure to vote based on who does and doesn't like Hasan Piker and who is acceptable to Chuck Schumer. I'll also make sure to do no research into the candidates on the issues. For the record, when he ran for Governor in 2018, I actually voted for Gretchen Whitmer in the primary over him.

Oh, so who someone campaigns with doesn’t matter now? 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Just now, Motown Bombers said:

Oh, so who someone campaigns with doesn’t matter now? 

Yes, it matters. Well, I guess it selectively matters. Because if they are a white, alleged rapist, it's ok. But if they are someone like Hasan it is not. Furthermore, Elissa Slotkin has gone on Bill Maher's show numerous times and I don't see her getting a bunch of **** for going on the Democratic version of Tucker Carlson.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Yes, it matters. Well, I guess it selectively matters. Because if they are a white, alleged rapist, it's ok. But if they are someone like Hasan it is not. Furthermore, Elissa Slotkin has gone on Bill Maher's show numerous times and I don't see her getting a bunch of **** for going on the Democratic version of Tucker Carlson.

So you agree with Hasan that the US deserved 9/11? His anti Western sentiment? His poverty tourism of Cuba? 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

So you agree with Hasan that the US deserved 9/11? His anti Western sentiment? His poverty tourism of Cuba? 

So you believe that Bill Clinton allegedly raping woman is ok?

Edited 5 hours ago by Mr.TaterSalad

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

So you believe that Bill Clinton allegedly raping woman is ok?

I mean, there isn’t evidence Clinton did it. These are things Piker actually said. You’re also ignoring everything else with El-Sayed from defund the police to people quoting his campaign over antisemitism. 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

Look at that, Rubio got Erika Kirk to infiltrate the Vance campaign.  She already plotted Charlie Kirk's murder on behalf of the zionists, etc.   

(SARCASM) 

On the one hand, I have to ask, is he the best she could do? On the other, if the Intertubes are to be believed, at $12 million, he's worth six times she is.

Aim low, that's where you go.

[romad1]

7 minutes ago, chasfh said:

On the one hand, I have to ask, is he the best she could do? On the other, if the Intertubes are to be believed, at $12 million, he's worth six times she is.

Aim low, that's where you go.

He's that close to being president.  He could order diet coke by pushing a button!

[gehringer_2]

25 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

Yes, it matters. Well, I guess it selectively matters. Because if they are a white, alleged rapist, it's ok. But if they are someone like Hasan it is not. Furthermore, Elissa Slotkin has gone on Bill Maher's show numerous times and I don't see her getting a bunch of **** for going on the Democratic version of Tucker Carlson.

just as an aside, I wouldn't compare going to interview shows run by people you may not like (Like Pete B to Fox) where you have a chance to reach an audience that you can't by other means, to campaigning with someone - it's a whole different order of magnitude of validation.

[chasfh]

Just now, romad1 said:

He's that close to being president.  He could order diet coke by pushing a button!

You're right, of course, that's her calculation, although he can never get there on his own. There would have to be some sort of putsch.

[Motown Bombers]

23 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

just as an aside, I wouldn't compare going to interview shows run by people you may not like (Like Pete B to Fox) where you have a chance to reach an audience that you can't by other means, to campaigning with someone - it's a whole different order of magnitude of validation.

Also, Bill Clinton never actually campaigned with Harris as far as I remember. El-Sayed sought out Piker for a campaign event. 

[Hongbit]

1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said:

I don't want to put words in your mouth and make a bad faith argument here. So rather than assume I'll ask, what is it about Abdul in your eyes that makes him unelectable? I've met the guy a dozen times and he is one of the most affable, jovial, likable, personable human beings you will ever meet. The dude radiates charisma and is full of charm. He's a really strong public speaker and does a great job relating to the room he's in and explaining his positions on issues.

It’s going to be a very close race.  I question whether he can connect with enough of the voters in the middle that can be swayed.   It may not be right and it may not be fair but his name is Abdul El-Sayed.  That’s something that he’s going to have to get over in this state.   

History also tells us what happens when candidates count on the college and young voters in midterms.  They don’t show up as much as in Presidential cycles.   That’s a real issue for Abdul in tight race.

I also fear that Trump will use ICE as a weapon in Dearborn and that will also have an impact on voter turnout.  Those numbers will trend lower for any Democrat candidate so if Abdul is counting on Dearborn coming in huge that may have an impact.  

[Motown Bombers]

1 minute ago, Hongbit said:

It’s going to be a very close race.  I question whether he can connect with enough of the voters in the middle that can be swayed.   It may not be right and it may not be fair but his name is Abdul El-Sayed.  That’s something that he’s going to have to get over in this state.   

History also tells us what happens when candidates count on the college and young voters in midterms.  They don’t show up as much as in Presidential cycles.   That’s a real issue for Abdul in tight race.

I also fear that Trump will use ICE as a weapon in Dearborn and that will also have an impact on voter turnout.  Those numbers will trend lower for any Democrat candidate so if Abdul is counting on Dearborn coming in huge that may have an impact.  

Whitmer won Michigan with a decrease in Dearborn voters. They turned against Whitmer due to homophobia. Even without Wayne County, she would have won. I don't think El-Sayed can win without Dearborn. It's also going to be hard to convince voters in the middle to vote for the defund the police guy. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Hongbit said:

It’s going to be a very close race

I hope you mean the primary. If the general is close in MI the Dems have no chance of taking the Senate.

[Mr.TaterSalad]

3 hours ago, Hongbit said:

It’s going to be a very close race.  I question whether he can connect with enough of the voters in the middle that can be swayed.   It may not be right and it may not be fair but his name is Abdul El-Sayed.  That’s something that he’s going to have to get over in this state.   

History also tells us what happens when candidates count on the college and young voters in midterms.  They don’t show up as much as in Presidential cycles.   That’s a real issue for Abdul in tight race.

I also fear that Trump will use ICE as a weapon in Dearborn and that will also have an impact on voter turnout.  Those numbers will trend lower for any Democrat candidate so if Abdul is counting on Dearborn coming in huge that may have an impact.  

Barack Obama won the White House with the name Barack Obama. The Republican Party did a full on assault on the poor guy over his association with his pastor Jeremiah Wright and it did not work on the whole. Obama still won in spite of the linty of attacks about it. Furthermore, Trump won't be on the ballot, so any bump Mike Rogers got last time around from Trump being on the ballot likely won't carryover into this election cycle. People didn't vote for Mike Rogers because he was this charismatic figure whom they adored, they were voting for Trump and happened to check the box for the other GOP Senate candidate. We've seen in 2018 and 2022 that when Trump isn't on the ballot and/or the midterm elections are a referendum on him, that Republicans perform poorly or underperform. Rogers will loose a solid chunk of his non-college educated, white working class voters due to Trump not being on the ballot and being wildly unpopular.

To me, whether Trump will or will not weaponize ICE in Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, Canton, Farmington Hills, Novi, Rochester, or any community that has a high immigrant community voting populace (be it Arab-American like Dearborn/Heights or South Asian/Indian-American like a Canton/Novi Rochester) is not a deciding factor for or against Abdul. What is more of a deciding factor to me are the Arab-American, Muslim-American, and South Asian-American voters that Abdul can help us win over. I feel the block of voters he can help bring back into the fold is more than the amount of voters the Trump Administration would be able to suppress. We can bury our heads in the sand and say we don't need Arab or Muslim voters, but I simply think that is a mistake. We should be building a broad coalition, with as many voters as we can get. You can talk about voters in the middle that Abdul might turn off, but Haley Stevens is going to turnoff just as many Arab-American and Muslim-American voters with her unrepentant allegiance to AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby.

Also, if you're a voter in the middle and you're angry about inflation, gas prices, the war raging on, or just mad at Trump and the party in power in general, do we really think all of that is going to be thrown out the window just because Abdul is who he is? I get that there will be a lot of bigotry and discrimination, just as there was against Harris in 2024. But when people are concerned or angry about their economic standing and voting based off of it, generally the party in power pays a political price for it. Maybe Abdul will be the exception of the rule because he's Arab-American and Muslim.

The other thing to note is gut feelings and vibes. Often times, people don't vote based on policy and specific stances a candidate takes on issues. Rather, they vote on vibes and what their gut tells them. When a candidate has the right vibe and goes against the grain as an outsider, as Trump fooled people into believing twice, people cast their ballots for them. In a Democratic Party that is seen as weak, feckless, and uncool, Abdul is the opposite. Elissa Slotkin herself was just on Bill Maher's program the other week talking about the energy and vibe of Democrats and how we need more alpha energy in the party. Who gives that off more than a workout bro and doctor like Abdul?

Sure, one could make the argument if they wanted that Abdul would give a bunch of racists "terrorist" and "un-American" vibes. But those bigoted people, who first and foremost judge a person by their race, religion, or identity, likely weren't voting for Haley Stevens or Mallory McMorrow either because they probably hate woman in leadership near or equally as much.

Edited 28 minutes ago by Mr.TaterSalad