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[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

This will be a bigger disaster than Brandon Johnson. 

I don't know what to expect from Mamdani as Mayor, but after having watched BJ in action up close for a couple of years, I'd take the way under on him being a bigger disaster than BJ.

[gehringer_2]

it goes back the disaster the Democrats are that they can't run a better centrist candidate than the sleazeball. They should be building the coalition to swamp the midterms and instead they still close to 100% in circular firing squad formation.

[Motown Bombers]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

it goes back the disaster the Democrats are that they can't run a better centrist candidate than the sleazeball. They should be building the coalition to swamp the midterms and instead they still close to 100% in circular firing squad formation.

I think it's more of an issue no one wants to be mayor of New York. Dems have great centrist candidates across the country. 

[mtutiger]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

it goes back the disaster the Democrats are that they can't run a better centrist candidate than the sleazeball. They should be building the coalition to swamp the midterms and instead they still close to 100% in circular firing squad formation.

I don't think we should read too far into this result in regards to the Midterms and honestly think that they will find good candidates in a lot of different places to run and win that fit their districts.

But I do think there's a lesson in Cuomo that's part tied in with the sleazy aspects, but also the fact that he was very emblematic of an "old guard" that is holding on and not allowing for the elevation of newer and younger candidates, regardless of ideology.

That stuff has to stop... I think it's an underrated dynamic as to why people take such a dim view of the Democratic Party, even despite Trump's falling poll numbers.

[mtutiger]

This is actually the other reason why I don't get the Mamdani hate, despite whatever ideological misgivings one might have - the guy legitimately did embrace the D label throughout the campaign and was collaborative with other candidates in the race trying to build out a coalition to win. 

Cuomo, the establishment guy, didn't.... if anything, he showed outright disdain toward Democratic voters by just coasting on name recognition and phoning it in.

Again, none of this is surprising.... and maybe there's a lesson here too that candidates absolutely can go *too far* in antagonizing their own voters while chasing middle ground

Edited 8 hours ago by mtutiger

[pfife]

Lol globalize the intafada

What a crock of hot piss

[Motown Bombers]

Are we even sure he beats Eric Adams?

 

[mtutiger]

The math would be very very difficult for Adams in a three or four way race, especially given all of the baggage and that his approval rating is in the toilet with New Yorkers 

[Motown Bombers]

I'm not convinced Cuomo voters automatically go to Mamdani. I'm also not convinced Cuomo doesn't run as an independent, further muddying things. 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Cuomo running as an independent screws Adams and I'd think cancels out some of Cuomo's advantage there too.

[mtutiger]

I'm definitely not sure that all of Cuomo's voters automatically go to Mamdani, I'm sure he'll get some but not all. But the math for Cuomo to run as an independent, especially with Adams and Sliwa in the race, is also very very difficult.

Brass tacks, Mamdani would likely get a majority (if not a significant majority) of Democratic voters in an overwhelming Democratic city, with multiple other candidates fighting over the rest. The math isn't mathing.

Edited 7 hours ago by mtutiger

[Motown Bombers]

What an absolute **** sandwich when your top three choices are Mamdani, Cuomo and Adams. The only thing worse would be if Giuliani decided to come back and run. 

[mtutiger]

You will get some messaging tonight from Eric Adams, as well as Trump's team, that they are eager to make this a race, but Mamdani's win was pretty strong here tonight, he's likely to end up getting well above 50% when RCV are tabulated, and in a place with the partisan breakdown that New York has, that's just hard to overcome, barring some other epochal change down the road.

[Motown Bombers]

I'm not as convinced. Adams is the incumbent and was a Democrat and has won before. I think he will be a strong candidate. Splitting it 4 or 5 ways, I could see a path for Adams. I could see Adams getting more of the Cuomo vote than Mamdani. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[pfife]

LOL a congressperson fundraised on someone better copy and paste that tweet url

[Motown Bombers]

 

[mtutiger]

6 hours ago, pfife said:

LOL a congressperson fundraised on someone better copy and paste that tweet url

Cuomo's campaign and backers employed a ton of scare tactics against this guy over the past month or two and that resulted in *checks notes* Mamdani overachieving against the polls and ending up with a relatively comfortable win.

I do not see how Eric Adams, potentially with a split field, makes up the math. Especially when Eric Adams is also a wildly unpopular figure who is tied to a wildly unpopular President.