Sports_Freak Posted Tuesday at 05:55 AM Posted Tuesday at 05:55 AM (edited) Carpenter leading off isn't Himch's best idea. It isn't working. Let's see how stubborn he is by not making a switch. Remember that year he kept leading off Riley? Some nonsense about getting our best hitter more at bats? Silly and stubborn... Edited Tuesday at 06:11 AM by Sports_Freak Quote
Tiger337 Posted Tuesday at 12:26 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:26 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Carpenter leading off isn't Himch's best idea. It isn't working. Let's see how stubborn he is by not making a switch. Remember that year he kept leading off Riley? Some nonsense about getting our best hitter more at bats? Silly and stubborn... Carpenter leading off is not a new thing. He led off in 41 games last year and batted .254 which is pretty much the same as his overall average (.252). He is definiely anusual choice to bad leadoff but I don't think that's why he hasn't hit yet. Edited Tuesday at 12:49 PM by Tiger337 Quote
kdog Posted Tuesday at 12:48 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:48 PM He doesn't walk and strikes out a lot, it doesn't make sense in the early innings. I think Hinch is trying to setup match ups in the middle of the game. But you still need to get on base early. Quote
tiger2022 Posted Tuesday at 01:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:07 PM How many more Chris Paddack/Charlie Morton types of starts are they going to permit Verlander to have before he comes up with some type of "injury" to save face? Nostalgia doesn't get outs. But I was told it was an amazing FA signing. Quote
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 01:58 PM Posted Tuesday at 01:58 PM Since Kerry Carpenter isn't creating any stress in the 19th at-bat, I think it's about time to retire the his-leading-off strategy for the time being. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted Tuesday at 02:01 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:01 PM (edited) I’d much rather the 1-4 be Torres, McGonigle, Keith, Torkelson. Greene and Carpenter are certainly impactful, but they don’t do as good of a job making pitchers get them out since they both sell out for power swings. My frustration as a fan is going to be heavily related to whether or not these guys show real strike zone improvements and on-base abilities this year. This will be year 3 of “dominating the zone”. McGonigle as a rookie gets a pass-but he’s already better at it that most. Everyone else needs to be at minimum making themselves tougher outs this year….especially Greene/Tork/Carp/Meadows think Dingler and Keith will be much better, and I can live with Javy being Javy because the defense is there, but if Jung/Anderson/Lee start hitting their way onto the roster, then Javy needs to be the 26th guy. Edited Tuesday at 02:03 PM by monkeytargets39 Quote
1984Echoes Posted Tuesday at 02:19 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:19 PM 8 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: Carpenter leading off isn't Himch's best idea. It isn't working. Let's see how stubborn he is by ... 1 hour ago, kdog said: He doesn't walk and strikes out a lot, it doesn't make sense in the early innings... His OBP was .290 last year and .320 for his career. Just not the right guy to lead off. I think ALL or MOST of us are on board with: 13 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’d much rather the 1-4 be Torres, McGonigle, Keith, Torkelson... IMO: Against Righties: McGonigle-Torres-Keith (damn he looks good so far in a teeny tiny sample size!!!) -Tork-Greene-Dingler-Carpenter Against Lefties: Torres-McGonigle-Tork-Keith-Greene-Dingler-Carpenter That 7th spot (and 8th and 9th) would be a great spot to pinch hit for, as needed... Just my 2 cents. Quote
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 04:43 PM Posted Tuesday at 04:43 PM 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’d much rather the 1-4 be Torres, McGonigle, Keith, Torkelson. Greene and Carpenter are certainly impactful, but they don’t do as good of a job making pitchers get them out since they both sell out for power swings. My frustration as a fan is going to be heavily related to whether or not these guys show real strike zone improvements and on-base abilities this year. This will be year 3 of “dominating the zone”. McGonigle as a rookie gets a pass-but he’s already better at it that most. Everyone else needs to be at minimum making themselves tougher outs this year….especially Greene/Tork/Carp/Meadows think Dingler and Keith will be much better, and I can live with Javy being Javy because the defense is there, but if Jung/Anderson/Lee start hitting their way onto the roster, then Javy needs to be the 26th guy. You probably already know that the guys who are better at controlling the zone were Harris acquisitions, and those who are worse at it were not. The roster we still have includes the best of what he inherited, and I'm pretty sure not many of those guys will be the long-term solution he has in mind for this franchise. He's had to keep them because he's always has to field a team today, but I would bet that Harris never envisioned Riley or Tork being the cornerstone of the perenniallly-contending Tigers franchise. Once the roster becomes more fully his doing, I think it will become more obvious how much better they control the zone than the team we see today. Quote
Tiger337 Posted Tuesday at 07:03 PM Posted Tuesday at 07:03 PM 2 hours ago, chasfh said: but I would bet that Harris never envisioned Riley or Tork being the cornerstone of the perenniallly-contending Tigers franchise. Maybe not long-term, but this year is really important and Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter need to be reasonably productive for them to have enough offense to support the pitching. Quote
chasfh Posted Tuesday at 08:54 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:54 PM 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: Maybe not long-term, but this year is really important and Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter need to be reasonably productive for them to have enough offense to support the pitching. Absolutely true. If we were heading into a normal winter, I would be interested in seeing what the team's approach to Tork and Riley's first arb hearing would be. I think I'd be surprised if we went both years for both. Quote
NorthWoods Posted Tuesday at 08:59 PM Posted Tuesday at 08:59 PM I continue to believe that Greene will eventually be the centerpiece of a big deal. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:00 PM On 3/30/2026 at 3:15 PM, Edman85 said: I figured cash considerations would be the move. Cash received in trade is deducted from your tax number, and a player who comes back would count against the Domestic Reserve list, which they are currently 10 over. If they are 10 over... Does that mean we can anticipate an additional 10 dudes getting the heave-ho? I'm assuming we have 10 injured and as they return to the active list that's when another domino shall fall...? Quote
1984Echoes Posted Tuesday at 09:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 09:07 PM With Greene, Tork & Carpenter all low-OBP guys, Chas is correct. Harris is probably right now trying to work out how he can move on from each of them before they get too expensive. Nothing this season. But maybe this offseason... And as a kid or two graduates onto MLB... that makes it easier to push another guy that doesn't fit Scott's philosophy out the door. Stay competitive, able to reach the playoffs each year, as well as move on from bad-fit guys as the opportunity arises... That's the needle Harris will be trying to thread the next few years... IMO. PS: So far I think Keith & Dingler stick. But it's really hard seeing anyone else survive from the old regime... Anyone else? Quote
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