04/10/2026 6:40pm EDT Miami Marlins at Detroit Tigers

[IdahoBert]

[Tiger337]

I guess I was wrong about Wenceel Perez.  He did help the Tigers pitch better.  

[SeattleMike]

2 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

I hope the Spanish is at least perfectly synced with the action on the field…

If only. Total crapshoot whether the audio will be synched up with the video. And of course when it isn't the audio is always ahead of the video. If it were the other way around I could live with that. 

[SeattleMike]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I said it last time, but Montero is a better rotation option than Verlander AND Flaherty

And against a hot offense. Impressive stuff tonite. 

[IdahoBert]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I said it last time, but Montero is a better rotation option than Verlander AND Flaherty

Montero could force the Tigers to make some difficult decisions, but I have the feeling that they are probably too committed to Jack and Justin to do that. 

[IdahoBert]

By the way, at least the Blue Jays appear to be able to beat the Minnesota Twins. 

[NorthWoods]

I wish I knew how to link tweets here.....but I think 5 assists this early is ok.   

 

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Eric Wagaman hits an RBI single to center but Max Clark throws Alan Roden out at home. It’s Clark’s 5th outfield assist of the season.

[Sports_Freak]

That's the BP pitching that I expect most of the summer. Shorten the game to a 6 inning game and our BP shuts the door. Offense still struggling, just enough to win. Take the win and move on to tomorrow.

[Sports_Freak]

4 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

I wish I knew how to link tweets here.....but I think 5 assists this early is ok.   

 

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Eric Wagaman hits an RBI single to center but Max Clark throws Alan Roden out at home. It’s Clark’s 5th outfield assist of the season.

Hit this, lower right;

 

 

 

And then this;

 

 

And finally this;

 

[Sports_Freak]

11 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

I wish I knew how to link tweets here.....but I think 5 assists this early is ok.   

 

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Eric Wagaman hits an RBI single to center but Max Clark throws Alan Roden out at home. It’s Clark’s 5th outfield assist of the season.

Another good one;

 

 

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

No doubt. He must have his doubts by now about whether his career is going to pan out.

Question his career choices? 😆

Nooo....these guys make more money in a year than most people make in...what, 10 years? Not sure what Parker makes, a million bucks?? He won't make that as a Walmart greeter. 😅😅

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I said it last time, but Montero is a better rotation option than Verlander AND Flaherty

Was anybody watching this game? (These questions are obviously not directed at only you MT39...)

How did Montero do it?

He's always:

1) Had spotty command that comes and goes... It looks like he was hitting his spots this game (just by the box score...) how did he actually look?

2) Had two nasty pitches (sinker/ slider), and not much else that was effective. Those two on = awesome game. One of those two off = crappy game. Did he have two pitches, and two pitches only working this game? Or did he improve his changeup or curve or 4-seamer or some other secondary pitch that just might make him a more consistently effective starter?

His history of 1.5-ish WHIP will not be effective. 

If he drops that to a 1.2 or less WHIP he becomes a REALLY nice starter for us.

IMO.

[1984Echoes]

25 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

Montero could force the Tigers to make some difficult decisions, but I have the feeling that they are probably too committed to Jack and Justin to do that. 

The only starter signed past this season out of Skubal-Valdez-Flaherty-Mize-JV is Valdez.

Sooner or later, a starting rotation spot opens up for Montero...

If he gives this level of quality start often enough.

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by 1984Echoes

[Sports_Freak]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Was anybody watching this game? (These questions are obviously not directed at only you MT39...)

How did Montero do it?

He's always:

1) Had spotty command that comes and goes... It looks like he was hitting his spots this game (just by the box score...) how did he actually look?

2) Had two nasty pitches (sinker/ slider), and not much else that was effective. Those two on = awesome game. One of those two off = crappy game. Did he have two pitches, and two pitches only working this game? Or did he improve his changeup or curve or 4-seamer or some other secondary pitch that just might make him a more consistently effective starter?

His history of 1.5-ish WHIP will not be effective. 

If he drops that to a 1.2 or less WHIP he becomes a REALLY nice starter for us.

IMO.

He would be a usable #5 SP. A 4.00 to 4.50 ERA. We'll see what JV can give us, I'm sure he's going to get several starts to prove he can still be effective. But Flaherty? Totally inconsistent. Not even a good BP arm....or maybe just long relief?

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Was anybody watching this game? (These questions are obviously not directed at only you MT39...)

How did Montero do it?

He's always:......

 

Kieder's stuff is good enough when he has the command to stay ahead. He did that tonight.

[gehringer_2]

The short stroke is really working for Keith and he's even getting good EVs. Be nice to see him turn into the hitter he promised he might be in the minors.

[1984Echoes]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

Kieder's stuff is good enough when he has the command to stay ahead. He did that tonight.

I always thought his secondary stuff was weak.

Two nasty pitches (sinker/ slider) working and he dominates. Yes, good command needed too obviously.

When I watched him last year, if EITHER the command was off or one of his two "nasties" wasn't working he gave up too many walks (command) or hits (bad secondary stuff).

That's why I am so interested in whether he develops a third pitch (Bondo's CHANGEUP!!!).

I think if Montero develops his secondary pitches more... he's a better pitcher. More unhittable (if one of the two "nasties" isn't working) as he'll have other ways to keep hitters off balance.

Better command and he'll be more consistent.

I want both.

Just my 2 cents.

[1984Echoes]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The short stroke is really working for Keith and he's even getting good EVs. Be nice to see him turn into the hitter he promised he might be in the minors.

So far so good.

I like how he's starting out this year.

[oblong]

I spent half the game watching the Artemis Ii crew splashdown. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said:

I always thought his secondary stuff was weak.

 

maybe our view issn't so different - what makes secondary stuff good? Part if it is being able to throw it for strikes so batters can't spit on it.  In that sense, on a given night, better command == better secondary stuff

[Sports_Freak]

15 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

since he got up and into the cart without his hand dangling or them having splinted it, we can guess it is a non-displaced fracture. But without surgery that's still 8 weeks before he thinks about swinging a bat. Maybe they can cut that down if they screw it together.

The Free Press this morning called it a left arm radius fracture. Whatever that means...broken arm....

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, NorthWoods said:

I wish I knew how to link tweets here.....but I think 5 assists this early is ok.   

 

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Eric Wagaman hits an RBI single to center but Max Clark throws Alan Roden out at home. It’s Clark’s 5th outfield assist of the season.

Five outfield assists already! Wow! Either Max is super fantastic, or runners so super underestimating him.

[chasfh]

10 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Question his career choices? 😆

Nooo....these guys make more money in a year than most people make in...what, 10 years? Not sure what Parker makes, a million bucks?? He won't make that as a Walmart greeter. 😅😅

I definitely did not say, or even imply, “question his career choices”.

Edited 2 hours ago by chasfh

[chasfh]

9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

maybe our view issn't so different - what makes secondary stuff good? Part if it is being able to throw it for strikes so batters can't spit on it.  In that sense, on a given night, better command == better secondary stuff

Throwing it for strikes so batters must swing and either miss it or fail to square it up properly is one way. Throwing it for called strikes while the batter spits on it because he thinks it’s going to be called a ball is another way. Throwing it for a ball and making the batter swing and miss because he thinks it’s a strike is yet another.

Other ways secondary stuff can be good: pitches use same arm speed and angle as fastballs so batters can’t tell the pitch just from those cues; ball breaks so differently from secondary stuff other pitchers have, both when it breaks and in what direction it goes, batters can’t process it properly; speed differential from fastballs is uncommonly high or low so it screws up timing; throwing it out of common sequence so the batter guesses wrong; using seam-shifted wake so the ball breaks differently from how the batter perceives how its spin should make it break; using spin mirroring so it resembles a fastball’s spin to the hitter but breaks differently (probably related to seam-shifted wake). There may be some others but these are all I can think of at the moment.

[1984Echoes]

9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

maybe our view issn't so different - what makes secondary stuff good? Part if it is being able to throw it for strikes so batters can't spit on it.  In that sense, on a given night, better command == better secondary stuff

Watched Local Fox News Detroit (down here in Lakeland Florida!!!) and they were saying he has an improved changeup (BONDO?!?!?!)...

And he had better command of his two fastballs (4-seamer and 2... is that a cutter or a sinker? I didn't hear that part and I forget what his FB "out" pitch was... thought it was a sinker but it looked more like a cutter...).

So if he can command 4-effective pitches... and if he can be a LOT more consistent with his command (he just hasn't shown that yet, until... this year? 1.42 career minor league WHIP. Actually better in MLB at 1.33 in 2024 and 1.39 last year).

It may also up his K-Rate and lower his walk rate (3.6/9 in minors, 2.9 in MLB...).

If he takes a big step forward (with command, consistency, changeup & 4-seamer...); I think we're now talking about a good mid-rotation starter. Again... if he's getting better than a 1.20 WHIP... I never thought of him like that before. I always thought he was a fringe AAAA/ 6th/7th starter before... at least prior to this year.

I hope he gets there.

Just my 2 cents.