04/14/2026 6:40pm EDT Kansas City Royals at Detroit Tigers

[Tenacious D]

45 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Is it clear that I am saying so, or are you inferring that I am saying so?

Oh, boy

[Shelton]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Is it clear that I am saying so, or are you inferring that I am saying so?

I think it’s clear that if this point is being implied, it was by you and not G2, because G2 wasn’t talking about mlb.tv audio overlay.

 

[Shelton]

Listen, I’m not trying to start a fight. I got the impression that you are singling out the tigers as being the only team that doesn’t care to fix the sync issue. In view of your established disdain for Benetti and preference for Dan, I can see how this would be irksome to you. 
 

I don’t think this is the case. You did say the other teams don’t have this issue. I disagree because I continue to experience this problem on other broadcasts. But if it were the case, I think it’s fair to infer that you think the tigers and mlb have the means to address it and are choosing not to. I admit to being a bit fanciful in how I worded that earlier. Sorry. 

[oblong]

I went to buy some new shoes last night.  As I pulled into my driveway coming home, listening to Dan over 97.1, not my app, he called the Perez HR.  I left my blinds open and didn't park in the garage so I could see the TV in the window with the game on.  It was two pitches behind.  That was regular DSN thru Xfinity.  

I just assume that with each tech layer you add on that  it's expected to get a delay.  I do not have a plugged in over the air radio in my house so this was the first time in a long while I've checked a broadcast vs TV. I bet if I had the radio feed on my phone thru the app it would be closer?  

I even get different syncs between TV's in my house.  My main TV and a bedroom TV thru a roku connection are off.  The ROku TV has a cable box plugged into it.  

 

[Tigermojo]

Kodi has an mlb.tv add on that allows you to sync the audio and video. I have not tried it so I can't say how well it works but might be a solution for those who are DD fans.

[Tenacious D]

35 minutes ago, oblong said:

I went to buy some new shoes last night.  As I pulled into my driveway coming home, listening to Dan over 97.1, not my app, he called the Perez HR.  I left my blinds open and didn't park in the garage so I could see the TV in the window with the game on.  It was two pitches behind.  That was regular DSN thru Xfinity.  

I just assume that with each tech layer you add on that  it's expected to get a delay.  I do not have a plugged in over the air radio in my house so this was the first time in a long while I've checked a broadcast vs TV. I bet if I had the radio feed on my phone thru the app it would be closer?  

I even get different syncs between TV's in my house.  My main TV and a bedroom TV thru a roku connection are off.  The ROku TV has a cable box plugged into it.  

 

What kind of shoes?

[oblong]

just boring brown ones.  Sketcher slip ons because I'm an old man and am sick of messing with tying shoes.  Even on my running shoes I buy the lace lock things, but that's so I don't have to mess around during a race.  

 

[casimir]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

just boring brown ones.  Sketcher slip ons because I'm an old man and am sick of messing with tying shoes.

 

Do they match your suspenders?

[NorthWoods]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

I went to buy some new shoes last night.  As I pulled into my driveway coming home, listening to Dan over 97.1, not my app, he called the Perez HR.  I left my blinds open and didn't park in the garage so I could see the TV in the window with the game on. 

Is there a term for peeping into your own home?

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Shelton said:

Listen, I’m not trying to start a fight. I got the impression that you are singling out the tigers as being the only team that doesn’t care to fix the sync issue. In view of your established disdain for Benetti and preference for Dan, I can see how this would be irksome to you. 
 

I don’t think this is the case. You did say the other teams don’t have this issue. I disagree because I continue to experience this problem on other broadcasts. But if it were the case, I think it’s fair to infer that you think the tigers and mlb have the means to address it and are choosing not to. I admit to being a bit fanciful in how I worded that earlier. Sorry. 

I appreciate your not mischaracterizating me, or things I say or don’t say. 

[Sports_Freak]

Wrong thread....carry on with the bickering.

Edited 18 hours ago by Sports_Freak

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, oblong said:

just boring brown ones.  Sketcher slip ons because I'm an old man and am sick of messing with tying shoes.  Even on my running shoes I buy the lace lock things, but that's so I don't have to mess around during a race.  

 

I bought some Sketcher Slip-On sneakers and I love them. I used to joke that the only exercise some people (me) got was bending over to tie their shoes. 😆

[Shelton]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

I appreciate your not mischaracterizating me, or things I say or don’t say. 

I said sorry. But noted. 

[gehringer_2]

9 hours ago, oblong said:

I do not have a plugged in over the air radio in my house so this was the first time in a long while I've checked a broadcast vs TV. I bet if I had the radio feed on my phone thru the app it would be closer?  

I used to listen to Dan on Gameday when I watched on DirectTV because because I really didn't like Shep - and  I could adjust gameday until it matched. But I had to stop doing that and now I don't remember if it was because gameday started being *behind* the video, which there was no adjustment for, or if it was just because they dropped the adjustment tab from the interface - I'd have to try setting up again during a game to check which it was. In any case my direct TV is always way behind, usually 2 pitches behind the gameday cartoon, which itself is usually behind OTA radio, which traditionally had at least a couple of seconds of delay for bleeping things they wanted to bleep.

[chasfh]

13 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I used to listen to Dan on Gameday when I watched on DirectTV because because I really didn't like Shep - and  I could adjust gameday until it matched. But I had to stop doing that and now I don't remember if it was because gameday started being *behind* the video, which there was no adjustment for, or if it was just because they dropped the adjustment tab from the interface - I'd have to try setting up again during a game to check which it was. In any case my direct TV is always way behind, usually 2 pitches behind the gameday cartoon, which itself is usually behind OTA radio, which traditionally had at least a couple of seconds of delay for bleeping things they wanted to bleep.

If there's anything to your theory about the difficulty engineers have matching audio overlay to MLB video, it would be that before I got MLB.tv with my Extra Innings package, and I would try to do what you describe here—match MLB At-Bat radio to DirecTV video—frequently when it came out of breaks, At-Bat would be mismatched to the video by a few seconds one way or the other. I assumed it was because sometimes play would start up again sooner than expected, so the radio folks would hold up the feed this inning to allow the commercials to play all the way through, then eventually they would match it up in a later inning. Is that what's happening here? Given how MLB has the break timed to end earlier than before, but the commercials still have to run, and Dan usually doesn't even come back on after the break until after at least one pitch has already been thrown, I kind of doubt it. But, I don't know, maybe ...

Edited 14 hours ago by chasfh

[Shelton]

29 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I used to listen to Dan on Gameday when I watched on DirectTV because because I really didn't like Shep - and  I could adjust gameday until it matched. But I had to stop doing that and now I don't remember if it was because gameday started being *behind* the video, which there was no adjustment for, or if it was just because they dropped the adjustment tab from the interface - I'd have to try setting up again during a game to check which it was. In any case my direct TV is always way behind, usually 2 pitches behind the gameday cartoon, which itself is usually behind OTA radio, which traditionally had at least a couple of seconds of delay for bleeping things they wanted to bleep.

For me it was that the streaming audio was behind enough that I could pause the directv feed via the built in DVR by a second or so. I couldn’t use the radio because that was far ahead of the satellite feed. But the streaking audio was a different story and allowed for easier “pause-play” on my direct remote until it matched. 

[lordstanley]

 

[gehringer_2]

53 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I assumed it was because sometimes play would start up again sooner than expected, so the radio folks would hold up the feed this inning to allow the commercials to play all the way through, then eventually they would match it up in a later inning.

Chasfh - Yes,  I *do* absolutely believe that the radio broadcast has done time compression/expansion to lengthen the commercial breaks in the past, but I do not know if they are doing it now because I haven't checked this season at all. There have certainly been times when I've had MLB audio going with the gameday cartoon or even the video broadcast that I had previously synced and the cartoon has made a pitch or two or the video returns before Dan comes back, and then magically the radio catches up. Using the gameday cartoon is not really definitive proof since we know that has random buffering or entry glitches all the time, but I've seen enough in the past to be reasonably persuaded that on the audio side they are playing games in the time domain. IIRC I even stop watched the radio breaks and they where exceeding 2min at innings when they should not have. I had forgotten about that in the earlier discussion  - since as I noted, I don't have enough of an issue with the current videocast to be doing what you are doing anymore. That makes me wonder if they only do it on the audio fed to web-stream, or if it's in the OTA source as well?. I suppose if it's the same commercial grid it must be in the original broadcast, but I don't know for a fact if the commercials OTA are the same as in the stream feed.

It's a huge temptation since with digital audio It's trivially easy to speed up or slow down audio while holding the frequency distribution perfectly constant or just slicing silence, making it very hard to detect by ear.

Edited 13 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

Chasfh - Yes,  I *do* absolutely believe that the radio broadcast has done time compression/expansion to lengthen the commercial breaks in the past, but I do not know if they are doing it now because I haven't checked this season at all. There have certainly been times when I've had MLB audio going with the gameday cartoon or even the video broadcast that I had previously synced and the cartoon has made a pitch or two or the video returns before Dan comes back, and then magically the radio catches up. Using the gameday cartoon is not really definitive proof since we know that has random buffering or entry glitches all the time, but I've seen enough in the past to be reasonably persuaded that on the audio side they are playing games in the time domain. IIRC I even stop watched the radio breaks and they where exceeding 2min at innings when they should not have. I had forgotten about that in the earlier discussion  - since as I noted, I don't have enough of an issue with the current videocast to be doing what you are doing anymore. That makes me wonder if they only do it on the audio fed to web-stream, or if it's in the OTA source as well?. I suppose if it's the same commercial grid it must be in the original broadcast, but I don't know for a fact if the commercials OTA are the same as in the stream feed.

It's a huge temptation since with digital audio It's trivially easy to speed up or slow down audio while holding the frequency distribution perfectly constant or just slicing silence, making it very hard to detect by ear.

This makes a lot more sense than the idea the engineers are too incompetent to make the radio overlay match up with the video. Now I am wondering whether the situation is simply that the AV engineers working local TV and audio engineers working local radio on a game broadcast are two different sets of professionals working independently for different companies and are beholden to their companies’ different mandates, and that there’s a third set of engineers (?) working for MLB who are responsible only for making the radio audio available with the video as an option for MLB.tv subscribers to listen to.

If this is truly the situation, it might explain why there are other broadcasts that experience this timing mismatch between radio overlay and video, and others that do not: some teams’ radio audio or TV AV engineers may engage in this compression tactic as a way to shoehorn a full pod of commercials in, while others may not. It would also seem to explain how the overlay/video mismatch can be substantial in one part of the broadcast, off by five or even ten seconds, while matched up perfectly in another part of the broadcast.