2026 Competitive Balance Tax

[4hzglory]

1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

 

I am waiting on the corresponding move to add Clark in. Yes, @4hzglory, trading Rogers helped.

Player
Framber Valdez	$36,466,899.38
Tarik Skubal	$32,000,000.00
Javier Baez	$23,333,333.33
Gleyber Torres	$22,025,000.00
Jack Flaherty	$17,500,000.00
Kenley Jansen	$11,000,000.00
Justin Verlander	$10,013,204.43
Kyle Finnegan	$9,500,000.00
Drew Anderson	$7,000,000.00
Casey Mize	$6,150,000.00
Riley Greene	$5,000,000.00
Colt Keith	$4,773,750.00
Zach McKinstry	$4,200,000.00
Spencer Torkelson	$4,075,000.00
Will Vest	$3,950,000.00
Kerry Carpenter	$3,275,000.00
Matt Vierling	$3,255,000.00
Jake Rogers	$2,087,700.53
Tyler Holton	$1,575,000.00
Burch Smith	$1,275,401.07
Beau Brieske	$1,157,500.00
Dillon Dingler	$834,900.00
Reese Olson	$818,100.00
Parker Meadows	$805,300.00
Brant Hurter	$796,200.00
Trey Sweeney	$788,700.00
Troy Melton	$785,500.00
Jackson Jobe	$784,300.00
Bailey Horn	$784,100.00
Kevin McGonigle	$780,000.00
Wenceel Perez	$767,631.02
Keider Montero	$760,296.63
Jacob Waguespack	$750,802.14
Enmanuel De Jesus	$744,117.65
Hao Yu Lee	$656,972.19
Brenan Hanifee	$616,739.02
Ty Madden	$614,263.10
Drew Sommers	$560,039.04
Jahmai Jones	$493,979.68
James Outman	$460,617.11
Ben Malgeri	$404,598.93
Sawyer Gipson-Long	$391,112.76
Eduardo Valencia	$379,968.45
Connor Seabold	$273,796.79
Ricky Vanasco	$231,069.52
Zack Short	$195,454.55
Gage Workman	$172,646.52
Jace Jung	$148,151.34
Yoniel Curet	$114,186.10
Troy Watson	$113,903.74
Trei Cruz	$111,862.57
Yilber Diaz	$63,889.84
Thayron Liranzo	$63,600.00
Jake Miller	$63,600.00
Andre Granillo	$55,068.50
Grant Holman	$48,200.34
Nick Sandlin	$0.00
Tomas Nido	$0.00
Tanner Rainey	$0.00
Carl Edwards	$0.00
Scott Effross	$0.00
Corey Julks	$0.00
Jack Little	$0.00
Tyler Mattison	$0.00
Tyler Owens	$0.00
Sean Guenther	$0.00
Dylan Smith	-$96,601.60
Justyn-Henry Malloy	-$100,000.00
Eduardo Rodriguez	-$933,333.33
Player Salaries	$224,916,521.32
Pre-Arb Bonus Pool	$1,666,666.67
Player Benefits	$18,393,624.00
CBT Payroll	$244,976,811.98
CBT Threshold	$244,000,000.00
CBT Room	-$976,811.98

Thanks!

[Edman85]

And swapping Hanifee for DeJesus in addition to adding Clark chipped into about half of the Rogers savings.

Player
Framber Valdez	$36,466,899.38
Tarik Skubal	$32,000,000.00
Javier Baez	$23,333,333.33
Gleyber Torres	$22,025,000.00
Jack Flaherty	$17,500,000.00
Kenley Jansen	$11,000,000.00
Justin Verlander	$10,013,204.43
Kyle Finnegan	$9,500,000.00
Drew Anderson	$7,000,000.00
Casey Mize	$6,150,000.00
Riley Greene	$5,000,000.00
Colt Keith	$4,773,750.00
Zach McKinstry	$4,200,000.00
Spencer Torkelson	$4,075,000.00
Will Vest	$3,950,000.00
Kerry Carpenter	$3,275,000.00
Matt Vierling	$3,255,000.00
Jake Rogers	$2,087,700.53
Tyler Holton	$1,575,000.00
Burch Smith	$1,275,401.07
Beau Brieske	$1,157,500.00
Enmanuel De Jesus	$1,081,016.04
Dillon Dingler	$834,900.00
Reese Olson	$818,100.00
Parker Meadows	$805,300.00
Brant Hurter	$796,200.00
Trey Sweeney	$788,700.00
Troy Melton	$785,500.00
Jackson Jobe	$784,300.00
Bailey Horn	$784,100.00
Kevin McGonigle	$780,000.00
Wenceel Perez	$767,631.02
Keider Montero	$760,296.63
Jacob Waguespack	$750,802.14
Hao Yu Lee	$660,463.64
Ty Madden	$616,405.88
Drew Sommers	$560,039.04
Jahmai Jones	$493,979.68
Brenan Hanifee	$472,737.11
James Outman	$460,617.11
Ben Malgeri	$404,598.93
Sawyer Gipson-Long	$391,112.76
Eduardo Valencia	$383,459.89
Connor Seabold	$273,796.79
Max Clark	$246,096.26
Ricky Vanasco	$231,069.52
Zack Short	$195,454.55
Gage Workman	$172,646.52
Jace Jung	$148,151.34
Trei Cruz	$115,354.01
Yoniel Curet	$114,186.10
Troy Watson	$113,903.74
Yilber Diaz	$63,889.84
Thayron Liranzo	$63,600.00
Jake Miller	$63,600.00
Andre Granillo	$59,947.98
Grant Holman	$48,200.34
Nick Sandlin	$0.00
Tanner Rainey	$0.00
Carl Edwards	$0.00
Scott Effross	$0.00
Corey Julks	$0.00
Jack Little	$0.00
Tyler Mattison	$0.00
Tyler Owens	$0.00
Sean Guenther	$0.00
Dylan Smith	-$96,601.60
Justyn-Henry Malloy	-$100,000.00
Eduardo Rodriguez	-$933,333.33
Player Salaries	$225,373,010.66
Pre-Arb Bonus Pool	$1,666,666.67
Player Benefits	$18,393,624.00
CBT Payroll	$245,433,301.33
CBT Threshold	$244,000,000.00

[Edman85]

Shut this thread down now.

[LongLiveMaroth]

26 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Shut this thread down now.

I take it we're under now?

[Edman85]

1 hour ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

I take it we're under now?

I guess we don't know for 100% sure the Dodgers took on his whole deal, but... yeah, shedding ~$9.7M will do that.

[gehringer_2]

Maybe the fact that they hadn't tried harder to stay under the projected limit all summer should have been our 1st clue they had already settled on moving Skubal(?).

[NorthWoods]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Maybe the fact that they hadn't tried harder to stay under the projected limit all summer should have been our 1st clue they had already settled on moving Skubal(?).

That has some merit.  They certainly left no room for deadline additions

[Edman85]

41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Maybe the fact that they hadn't tried harder to stay under the projected limit all summer should have been our 1st clue they had already settled on moving Skubal(?).

I think that was more everybody just getting hurt.

[monkeytargets39]

5 hours ago, Edman85 said:

I guess we don't know for 100% sure the Dodgers took on his whole deal, but... yeah, shedding ~$9.7M will do that.

I would hope so

[CaliforniaDreaming]

So, actually the Skubal trade includes not only the 3 players we received, but also moving 2 draft picks from after the 4th round to after the 1st round. That seems like a pretty significant addition to the deal.

I know it could be argued that they could have gotten under the tax by trading some other player, but they certainly wouldn't have gotten the prospects that they did. Maybe they thought this deal was the best of all worlds: lose only one player (although he his your best player) to get some good prospects, get under the tax threshold to save your good draft picks, keep some semblance of playoff hope alive by keeping the rest of the team in tact.

Edited August 2 by CaliforniaDreaming

[casimir]

1 hour ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

So, actually the Skubal trade includes not only the 3 players we received, but also moving 2 draft picks from after the 4th round to after the 1st round. That seems like a pretty significant addition to the deal.

I know it could be argued that they could have gotten under the tax by trading some other player, but they certainly wouldn't have gotten the prospects that they did. Maybe they thought this deal was the best of all worlds: lose only one player (although he his your best player) to get some good prospects, get under the tax threshold to save your good draft picks, keep some semblance of playoff hope alive by keeping the rest of the team in tact.

I’m confused about the draft picks that you mentioned, the picks moving from after the 4th to after the 1st.

[Edman85]

7 minutes ago, casimir said:

I’m confused about the draft picks that you mentioned, the picks moving from after the 4th to after the 1st.

Only one pick, if you keep Mize, unless the plan is to offer a QO to Flaherty. Torres is ineligible.

And this assumes the current rules hold. It sounds like there may be signifant draft changes in the upcoming negotiations.

[casimir]

11 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Only one pick, if you keep Mize, unless the plan is to offer a QO to Flaherty. Torres is ineligible.

And this assumes the current rules hold. It sounds like there may be signifant draft changes in the upcoming negotiations.

I thought Flaherty was also ineligible for a qualifying offer?

Well, I guess we will see what happens before the trade deadline and what happens with the rules in the upcoming negotiations.

[Edman85]

Flaherty has never gotten one.

[monkeytargets39]

1 hour ago, Edman85 said:

Only one pick, if you keep Mize, unless the plan is to offer a QO to Flaherty. Torres is ineligible.

And this assumes the current rules hold. It sounds like there may be signifant draft changes in the upcoming negotiations.

Offering Flaherty a QO is a bad idea

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

So, actually the Skubal trade includes not only the 3 players we received, but also moving 2 draft picks from after the 4th round to after the 1st round. That seems like a pretty significant addition to the deal....

One of those picks went out the door when we traded Skubal to the Dodgers.

Hard to offer Skubal a QO when he plays for a different team...

😉

Still can offer the QO to Mize though... as long as he's not traded.

[Shelton]

14 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

One of those picks went out the door when we traded Skubal to the Dodgers.

Hard to offer Skubal a QO when he plays for a different team...

😉

Still can offer the QO to Mize though... as long as he's not traded.

Flaherty is the second one.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

I need to stay in my lane on these things...this certainly is not in my wheelhouse.

Question: wouldn't it be 2 picks if McG wins ROY and Mize turns down a QO? (Maybe the ROY award isn't affected? Maybe Mize is traded or accepts the QO...)

[Edman85]

3 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

I need to stay in my lane on these things...this certainly is not in my wheelhouse.

Question: wouldn't it be 2 picks if McG wins ROY and Mize turns down a QO? (Maybe the ROY award isn't affected? Maybe Mize is traded or accepts the QO...)

PPI pick is after the first round regardless.

[4hzglory]

2 minutes ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

I need to stay in my lane on these things...this certainly is not in my wheelhouse.

Question: wouldn't it be 2 picks if McG wins ROY and Mize turns down a QO? (Maybe the ROY award isn't affected? Maybe Mize is traded or accepts the QO...)

The pick for McG winning ROY isn't affected by our CBT number.  We would get that either way after the 1st round.  The only ones that move from the 4th to the 1st are compensation for losing FA's who were offered a QO.

[CaliforniaDreaming]

Thanks for the information...Knowledge is power!

[1984Echoes]

2 hours ago, Shelton said:

Flaherty is the second one.

I don't believe the team will offer Flaherty a QO.

Not at all.

So I wouldn't count that one.

I was looking at realistic: Skubal and Mize. And now just down to Mize.

Do you believe Flaherty gets offered a QO?

[Tenacious D]

3 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I don't believe the team will offer Flaherty a QO.

Not at all.

So I wouldn't count that one.

I was looking at realistic: Skubal and Mize. And now just down to Mize.

Do you believe Flaherty gets offered a QO?

I think it depends on how he finishes the season and what other free agent pitchers are available.  I hope we can avoid throwing &15M at a flawed free agent starter who will take a one-year deal.  I’d rather we spend the $22M on Flaherty in that scenario.  The devil you know.

if he gets a QO, he’s not turning it down, so we wouldn’t be doing it to get the draft pick.  No team would surrender one to sign him.

[Shelton]

12 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

I don't believe the team will offer Flaherty a QO.

Not at all.

So I wouldn't count that one.

I was looking at realistic: Skubal and Mize. And now just down to Mize.

Do you believe Flaherty gets offered a QO?

I think they give him a QO, yes. If washed up JV types cost you 1/15, then Jack is worth 1/23 or whatever it is.

I think he would probably accept it, though, for the same reason he opted in to a similar 1 year option entering this year.

He's been really good in June and July prior to the injury. 

[1984Echoes]

Fair enough.

But I think you ended up in the same position I am since... if he accepts the QO (most realistic path) then we still do not get a 2nd QO/FA pick next year. Realistically, that is.