05/22/2026 7:15p EDT Detroit Tigers at Baltimore Orioles

[casimir]

[Sports_Freak]

Don't bother looking at the Baltimore weather forecast.

[IdahoBert]

So it’ll rain the whole freaking day, even though this is one of those Apple TV games I could actually watch? A game between two cellar dwelling teams? I guess if anything qualifies as a “must win“ this game could or at least it should be considered a “might win“ sort of game.

[romad1]

Its bad here in Northern VA and i wouldn't pay to do anything outdoors in this crap.   

[kdog]

G

We are going down with the ship.

Edited 2 hours ago by kdog

[Sports_Freak]

Did they call tonight's game yet? This whole weekend may be a wash out.

[kdog]

 

[monkeytargets39]

Jahmai Jones batting third and Wenceel batting 6th.  I don’t blame the teams bad performance too much on Hinch, but he’s getting to the point where he deserves to be on the hot seat for this kind of stuff.

Edited 1 hour ago by monkeytargets39

[casimir]

11 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Jahmai Jones batting third and Wenceel batting 6th.  I don’t blame the teams bad performance too much on Hinch, but he’s getting to the point where he deserves to be on the hot seat for this kind of stuff.

I don’t know.  Jones is on the roster as the resident vs LHP specialist.  If you want to flip Greene and Jones, fine.  I guess I don’t have an issue with the top 4 as is.  I might go McGonigle, Jones, Greene, Dingler, or Jones, McGonigle, Greene, Dingler.

But I don’t know how you optimize the batting 5 hitters.  I guess Torkelson at 5 makes sense.  After that, I’m not sure how to argue one way or another.  Nobody is hitting, so I’m not sure what to do.

[gehringer_2]

26 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Jahmai Jones batting third and Wenceel batting 6th.  I don’t blame the teams bad performance too much on Hinch, but he’s getting to the point where he deserves to be on the hot seat for this kind of stuff.

This is what I mean about Hinch being a guy who doesn't want to be told about short term trends. Jones' OBP against LHP is less than 300 *this* season. Any rational approach to llne-up construction based on recent outcomes would not have him in the 3 spot,  but his OBP over the longer term of with last season was 398 - sure bat him 3rd against a LHP. You can have all the data and analytics you want, but at some point you still have to apply judgments about how to use the data that are beyond what the data can tell you about the player.

Edited 44 minutes ago by gehringer_2

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

This is what I mean about Hinch being a guy who doesn't want to be told about short term trends. Jones' OBP against LHP is less than 300 *this* season. Any rational approach to llne-up construction based on recent outcomes would not have him in the 3 spot,  but his OBP over the longer term of with last season was 398 - sure bat him 3rd against a LHP. You can have all the data and analytics you want, but at some point you still have to apply judgments about how to use the data that are beyond what the data can tell you.

At what point does short-term data become useful?  If a .300 hitter, goes in a slump for 3 days, do you start treating like a .250 hitter?  Is it one week?  A month?  What if you decide that it's time to make a change and then he goes back to being a .300 hitter again.  How long do you wait before you are sure he is now a .300 hitter again?  It seems a lot like trying to time the market!

[Zakk_Wylde]

I guess if the game gets rained out, we can't lose right?    This time will find a way!

[monkeytargets39]

15 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

At what point does short-term data become useful?  If a .300 hitter, goes in a slump for 3 days, do you start treating like a .250 hitter?  Is it one week?  A month?  What if you decide that it's time to make a change and then he goes back to being a .300 hitter again.  How long do you wait before you are sure he is now a .300 hitter again?  It seems a lot like trying to time the market!

Well in his rookie year, Keith hit .305 vs LHP in 84 ABs.  That was enough for us to only give him half that many ABs vs LHP the following year and basically none this year.  So we gave up completely on our 23/24 year old prospect hitting vs LHP despite some data suggesting that maybe he could be solid.

 

We’ve replaced a bunch of those ABs with a journeyman minor leaguer who he got for next to nothing.  He only got 100 or so ABs vs LHP last year and did great—but now he’s got 48 this year with 16 Ks and is hitting under .200 and that’s supposed to be his calling card.  Wouldn’t the long term data suggest that Jones just isn’t a good player seeing that none of the other 29 teams in the majors ever gave him any real MLB at bats?  

 

If it’s just gonna be about long term data and trends, be consistent player to player with it.