05/24/2026 6:05p EDT Detroit Tigers at Baltimore Orioles

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I like his persona on the mound.  Just seems like a guy who is always up for the challenge and doesn’t get rattled.  The results will be what they are, but he’s got moxie 

 

[NorthWoods]

42 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I like his persona on the mound.  Just seems like a guy who is always up for the challenge and doesn’t get rattled.  The results will be what they are, but he’s got moxie 

So he'll do well vs Boston.

[SoCalTiger]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

This is hilarious because Avila didn’t even keep Paredes on the team long enough for Hinch to play him, and when Hinch did play him—which was practically every day he was on the active roster—Paredes couldn’t stay on the field!

tranx date	year	mlb team	minor lg team	level	status	transaction description	40-man
2021-09-20	2021	Detroit Tigers	MLB	MLB	Active	Recalled from Toledo (AAA)	Yes
2021-08-18	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	Minors	Activated from Injured List	Yes
2021-08-17	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	IL-10	Assigned to Toledo [AAA_East] (AAA) for rehab	Yes
2021-08-12	2021	Detroit Tigers	Lakeland	A	IL-10	Assigned to Lakeland [A2_SE] (A) for rehab	Yes
2021-07-30	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	IL-10	Assigned to Toledo [AAA_East] (AAA) for rehab	Yes
2021-07-22	2021	Detroit Tigers	MLB	MLB	IL-10	IL-10 Right hip strain *Unknown*	Yes
2021-07-16	2021	Detroit Tigers	MLB	MLB	Active	Recalled from Toledo (AAA)	Yes
2021-06-27	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	Minors	Assigned to Toledo [AAA_East] (AAA)	Yes
2021-06-19	2021	Detroit Tigers	MLB	MLB	Active	Recalled from Toledo (AAA)	Yes
2021-06-14	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	Minors	Assigned to Toledo [AAA_East] (AAA)	Yes
2021-06-08	2021	Detroit Tigers	MLB	MLB	Active	Recalled from Toledo (AAA)	Yes
2021-03-25	2021	Detroit Tigers	Toledo	AAA	Minors	Assigned to Toledo [AAA_East] (AAA)	Yes

Oh, how soon we forget … 

Paredes got 72 AB's in 2020 and 100 AB's in 2021 and Tampa gave him 331 in 2022 and he improved immensely and then 492 in 2023 and he was an All Star. So maybe it was Avila and not Hinch who totally misjudged his talent. But I don't see any position player getting better playing for Hinch. To be fair it's mostly talent but work the zone and play all the positions might be a contributing factor to at least consider. Tampa saw talent in Parades - chose a position and gave him consistent AB's. And they sit atop the eastern division this morning.

I am not saying dump Hinch but we have had serious slumps three years running and position player development has not been the greatest. 

[gehringer_2]

16 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

So maybe it was Avila and not Hinch who totally misjudged his talent.

If Hinch asked for a player do we think Al would have refused? Whatever they should have seen, neither saw it. Roster decisions are co-operative.

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

17 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Paredes got 72 AB's in 2020 and 100 AB's in 2021 and Tampa gave him 331 in 2022 and he improved immensely and then 492 in 2023 and he was an All Star. So maybe it was Avila and not Hinch who totally misjudged his talent. 

Yes, this is true. No maybe about it. Paredes was available here for 30 games and Hinch started him in 20 of them.

I will also add that the majority opinion around here in 2021 was that we should dump Isaac Paredes, and I regularly caught a keyboard full of **** on MTS for advocating for him.

[gehringer_2]

50 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

am not saying dump Hinch but we have had serious slumps three years running and position player development has not been the greatest. 

It's hard to ever really know about a manager other than in retrospect after someone takes over the same players and either does better or face plants. Hinch wasn't Harris' hire but I would still guess that Hinch is here as long as Harris. I think the only way Hinch loses his gig would be if Ilitch decided to broom Harris and start over..

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

It's hard to ever really know about a manager other than in retrospect after someone takes over the same players and either does better or face plants. Hinch wasn't Harris' hire but I would still guess that Hinch is here as long as Harris. I think the only way Hinch loses his gig would be if Ilitch decided to broom Harris and start over..

I will root for the team to win whether we keep our front office and manager or we broom them instead, but anyone who thinks the Tigers will become perennial winners by dumping Harris/Hinch AND ****canning analytics to go back to the kind of eyeball-based scouting systems in force when we were eleven years old is hepped up on goofballs.

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I will root for the team to win whether we keep our front office and manager or we broom them instead, but anyone who thinks the Tigers will become perennial winners by dumping Harris/Hinch AND ****canning analytics to go back to the kind of eyeball-based scouting systems in force when we were eleven years old is hepped up on goofballs.

They can still be a good organization without Harris and Hinch, but canning analytics would be suicide in this era.  I don't see that Gehringer is suggesting that though. 

[Nate7474]

Hinch is a well respected manager and like all managers he has strengths and faults. Is he the best at his job, probably not but is he the worst? I think the answer to that is definitely no and the players seems to want to play for him which I think in professional sports is the most underrated part of a manager. 
 

As far as Harris I personally like him a lot as he directs the organization more towards what I would do. Draft well and develop and then build from there. I do not believe this would be his route if he felt like he had a short lease or a direction from management to win right now. With that said he needs to show improvement in free agency decisions and trades. I do think that is something he can and will develop but he was so new and green coming up that relationships with agents take time to build. 

Edited 54 minutes ago by Nate7474

[Motor City Sonics]

12 minutes ago, Nate7474 said:

Hinch is a well respected manager and like all managers he has strengths and faults. Is he the best at his job, probably not but is he the worst? I think the answer to that is definitely no and the players seems to want to play for him which I think in professional sports is the most underrated part of a manager. 
 

As far as Harris I personally like him a lot as he directs the organization more towards what I would do. Draft well and develop and then build from there. I do not believe this would be his route if he felt like he had a short lease or a direction from management to win right now. With that said he needs to show improvement in free agency decisions and trades. I do think that is something he can and will develop but he was so new and green coming up that relationships with agents take time to build. 

New and Green?   Wasn't he the GM for the Giants for several years before he came here?    He wasn't that green. 

[gehringer_2]

25 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They can still be a good organization without Harris and Hinch, but canning analytics would be suicide in this era.  I don't see that Gehringer is suggesting that though. 

correct.

Not really implying that anyone is close to being fired, I was just arguing that I think under any hypothetical,  the connection from Harris to Hinch is pretty strong.

Edited 39 minutes ago by gehringer_2

[Nate7474]

14 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

New and Green?   Wasn't he the GM for the Giants for several years before he came here?    He wasn't that green. 

For 3 years and basically in title only as he is president of baseball operations here and not GM. Giants had the same structure and Frahan Zaidi from what I read made the final and tough decisions. Only was asst GM or GM for around 4 years before being president here. Also only 35ish when he became in charge and younger than a lot of players. Yes I would say to relationship building and leadership of a baseball Organization he would be consider “Green” and that Illitch was banking on long term growth and learning when hiring him.