romad1 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 JD Vance aka "Hillbilly George Santos" vs. Former darling of the never trump movement Marco Rubio in the GOP field. Others? Maybe Don Jr. tries to run. And a bunch of question marks in the Dem field. Perhaps Mayor Pete runs and he has been working to solidify his standing among African Americans in the south with that in mind. He was an excellent cabinet official in particular with the current reality TV show fool to compare to. Perhaps Gavin Newsome can break out of his record in California. His troll game is superb. It appears that Big Gretch has dropped any plans to run. Anyway...always fun to start a thread two years out. 1 Quote
LaceyLou Posted June 15 Posted June 15 I just read an article that describes Rubio as a bag of stale chips, and JD as a 3 day old Big Mac pulled from the trash. Thank you, Amanda Marcotte for that picture! Quote
chasfh Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Watch out for Tucker Carlson. He's different enough to pull in fresh blood, the same enough to keep the fascism march going, and famous enough to win over a lot of low information voters. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 15 Posted June 15 If I were to place a bet for the Democrats, I would bet on Jon Ossoff as the one to be the nominee. Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 33 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: If I were to place a bet for the Democrats, I would bet on Jon Ossoff as the one to be the nominee. He is a gifted speaker. The epitaph Epstein Class was his, was it not? Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Just now, romad1 said: He is a gifted speaker. The epitaph Epstein Class was his, was it not? I'm sure someone in the universe said it before him, but he's the first politician I remember using the phrase. Where he really excels is in bringing a coalition of people together. Voters of color seem to really like him. Progressives think he's more progressive than he really is. He's center-leftish with some progressive view points, but he's not in the Sanders/Warren/AOC lane of the party. Moderates think he's sensible enough and think he's more moderate than he actually is. He can potentially build a strong coalition of black voters, moderates, and some progressives. He can box out candidates from the center completely and possibly even some from the left with the coalition I think he's capable of building. Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 8 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: I'm sure someone in the universe said it before him, but he's the first politician I remember using the phrase. Where he really excels is in bringing a coalition of people together. Voters of color seem to really like him. Progressives think he's more progressive than he really is. He's center-leftish with some progressive view points, but he's not in the Sanders/Warren/AOC lane of the party. Moderates think he's sensible enough and think he's more moderate than he actually is. He can potentially build a strong coalition of black voters, moderates, and some progressives. He can box out candidates from the center completely and possibly even some from the left with the coalition I think he's capable of building. Southern Purple State Dem is a pretty good thing to start off as. My one concern is the religion one. Maybe it matters and maybe it doesn't. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 minute ago, romad1 said: My one concern is the religion one. Maybe it matters and maybe it doesn't. To me it depends on whether or not said candidate practices what they preach Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: To me it depends on whether or not said candidate practices what they preach I'm only looking at it from the utility angle. If it matters to people and is a negative. Or can he navigate it like Mitt Romney tried to do with his religion. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) I've latched on to a new term Order and Opportunity Left. Basically somewhere to the Right of Bernie and say Jared Pollis on the right (as Democrats). Beshear, Shapiro, Ossoff fall within the spectrum. Wes Moore is a longshot, if he wants it Edited June 15 by CMRivdogs Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: I've latched on to a new term Order and Opportunity Left. Basically somewhere to the Right of Bernie and say Jared Pollis on the right (as Democrats). Beshear, Shapiro, Ossoff fall within the spectrum. Wes Moore is a longshot, if he wants it The only thing stopping the Dems from winning the presidency in 2028 is their nominating process if it goes off the rails. We definitely need reform beyond yesterday but we have to get that with someone who understands process and how the gears work. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted June 15 Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, romad1 said: The only thing stopping the Dems from winning the presidency in 2028 is their nominating process if it goes off the rails. We definitely need reform beyond yesterday but we have to get that with someone who understands process and how the gears work. It's going to take someone capable of doing a total rebuild and have coat strings big enough to carry congress with him/her. And not only understand the process but knows where the bodies are buried and be willing to use that threat. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Southern Purple State Dem is a pretty good thing to start off as. My one concern is the religion one. Maybe it matters and maybe it doesn't. Are you referring to him being Jewish? If so, I don't think that will be a huge problem in a primary. Ossoff voted the right way on defense spending for Israel, voting to reject funding Bibi's war. Progressives in Georgia have had no problem electing him to the Senate either. Also, the narrative that the left/progressive hates Jews when the standard barrier for the left in the US is a Jewish man from Brooklyn is absurd. Are there some on the left, as with the MAGA right, who are antisemitic, yes there are. But I don't think Ossoff being Jewish himself will hurt in the primary. There will be other, non-Jewish candidates who will likely be more pro-Israel/pro-Bibi than he ever would be as President that would have a bigger issue on the Israel/Palestine divide than he would. Edited June 15 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) I hope the Democrats have a wide open primary this time. Don't just preach Democracy. Do it. Edited June 15 by Tiger337 3 Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 7 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Are you referring to him being Jewish? If so, I don't think that will be a huge problem in a primary. Ossoff voted the right way on defense spending for Israel, voting to reject funding Bibi's war. Progressives in Georgia have had no problem electing him to the Senate either. Also, the narrative that the left/progressive hates Jews when the standard barrier for the left in the US is a Jewish man from Brooklyn is absurd. Are there some on the left, as with the MAGA right, who are antisemitic, yes there are. But I don't think Ossoff being Jewish himself will hurt in the primary. There will be other, non-Jewish candidates who will likely be more pro-Israel/pro-Bibi than he ever would be as President that would have a bigger issue on the Israel/Palestine divide than he would. Again, just dealing with the practical question of him being a member of a religion with a long history of haterz. I'd vote for him in a millisecond. Would that matter in any state he needs to win? Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 Let me circle back to Buttegeig. Can he win the General? He can def win the primarys. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Let me say that I like Jon Ossoff and he would probably crack my top 5-7 candidates list. I specifically like his good governance and anti-corruption stances. He understands the importance of getting big money and lobbyist influence out of our political system and that I can respect and vehemently agree with. He campaigns on substance and not just style, focusing on a core set of issues built around building a better government, not controlled by the wealthy and big corporations. I also think he is smart enough to read the tea leaves and understand there the party is going and move with it. My waaaaaay too early list of who I like for 2028 are as follows . . . UAW President Shawn Fain Comedian John Stewart AOC/Rep-NY Chris Van Hollen/Sen-MD Jon Ossoff/Sen-GA Raphael Warnock/Sen-GA JB Pritzker/Gov-IL Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 minute ago, romad1 said: Let me circle back to Buttegeig. Can he win the General? He can def win the primarys. I don't think a gay person can win the general. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think a gay person can win the general. I don't think Lindsay Graham will be the nominee though. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 31 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think a gay person can win the general. at least one probably already has but we didn't know it. Quote
romad1 Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 44 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: at least one probably already has but we didn't know it. Plus JD Vance and the sofas is a bit out of the norm. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 41 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: at least one probably already has but we didn't know it. Are you are talking about James Buchanon? I don't think the concept of gay really existed at the time. At least, it was not widespread. Buchanon was single. Buttigieg is openly gay and I don't think America is going to vote for that. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I don't think the concept of gay really existed at the time. Oh doubt that - homosexuality has been pretty well recongnized as thing in every society all the way back to Greece. The only thing that varies is how much a given culture is willing to leave anything in their public writing about it. Wasn't talking about Buchannan in particular, the odds are decent that out of 47 men, at least one either wasn't straight or didn't want to be. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) 18 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Oh doubt that - homosexuality has been pretty well recongnized as thing in every society all the way back to Greece. The only thing that varies is how much a given culture is willing to leave anything in their public writing about it. Wasn't talking about Buchannan in particular, the odds are decent that out of 47 men, at least one either wasn't straight or didn't want to be. I know homosexuality has always been a concept, but the concept of gay identity is relatively new. It's all kind of a moot point anyway because no openly gay person has ever made it to the general election. I think the odds would be against that person winning the election. Edited June 15 by Tiger337 Quote
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