The 2028 Presidential Field aka der Kampf um die Präsidentschaftswahl 2028 if you are in the GOP

[Tigermojo]

How can 17% be undecided at this point. Fascism or not. Gee I don't know. The fascists aren't going to throw me in a concentration camp are they? Derp....

[Tiger337]

You can gamble about anything on Polymarket.  There was one question today: Will Trump personally insult some on June 26?  94% said yes.  

[Motown Bombers]

Legitimately whipped is 1.5% apparently. Trump got beat but over double that and still won. 

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

elections have a certain reality to them that preseason polls lack.  Esp now because her fans are all still her fans, but the people who will vote for some one else are still going in a million directions. The poll above showed her 'in the lead' at 27% but at this point that could as easily be her ceiling as well.

So how can you say she’ll lose when all of her legitimate challengers are doing worse? 

[Deleterious]

22 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

You can gamble about anything on Polymarket.  There was one question today: Will Trump personally insult some on June 26?  94% said yes.  

They run that bet every day, and it's always in the low 90s for a yes.  

https://polymarket.com/event/will-trump-publicly-insult-someone-onptptpt

[gehringer_2]

52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

So how can you say she’ll lose when all of her legitimate challengers are doing worse? 

at two years out the most likely viable opponent probably isn't even on the field of play yet.

[romad1]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

at two years out the most likely viable opponent probably isn't even on the field of play yet.

This is probably true but Ossof is what one of those looks like.

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

So how can you say she’ll lose when all of her legitimate challengers are doing worse? 

you've been watching politics long enough to know that at this point familiarity is the asset that shows up the most in early polling. Plus she had a chance to build some base in the previous campaign so of course that gives her a head start, but that fact that she starts with a base doesn't mean she will grow it, so unless she's actually polling over 50%  the field is still wide open for newcomers.

[oblong]

8 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

you've been watching politics long enough to know that at this point familiarity is the asset that shows up the most in early polling. Plus she had a chance to build some base in the previous campaign so of course that gives her a head start, but that fact that she starts with a base doesn't mean she will grow it, so unless she's actually polling over 50%  the field is still wide open for newcomers.

Not sure how much previous results matter anymore given our new world order.... but I remember when 2008 was going to be Rudy vs Hillary.  

Biden picked Harris for demographics.  That's just the way the game is played now. She did nothing in that primary.  It's not a knock against her, I'm just analyzing things. 

I think Pete is smart and if he needs to do more to get the black vote he'll know what to do.  The hope is that the american people are starved for fresh faces who don't speak the language of bull****.  He's great at that.  He can go on Fox, he can go on Rogan.  He can go up against anybody and address their issues in plain language without shouting or being insulting or sounding patronizing or like he's talking down or selling cars. I would hope after 12 years of the crap we've lived through that this would mean something.  

The people who wouldn't vote for him for being gay are not going to vote for a democrat anyway.  I know that can also be an issue in the black community too... it's why John Conyers stayed in the closet.

[romad1]

Jonathan Martin of Politico is on Morning Joe saying that Ossoff or Warnock are looking good for the Dem ticket.  Hmmm..  

[pfife]

Lot of antisemitism.... again... in this thread from the usual suspect 

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

Not sure how much previous results matter anymore given our new world order.... but I remember when 2008 was going to be Rudy vs Hillary.  

Biden picked Harris for demographics.  That's just the way the game is played now. She did nothing in that primary.  It's not a knock against her, I'm just analyzing things. 

I think Pete is smart and if he needs to do more to get the black vote he'll know what to do.  The hope is that the american people are starved for fresh faces who don't speak the language of bull****.  He's great at that.  He can go on Fox, he can go on Rogan.  He can go up against anybody and address their issues in plain language without shouting or being insulting or sounding patronizing or like he's talking down or selling cars. I would hope after 12 years of the crap we've lived through that this would mean something.  

The people who wouldn't vote for him for being gay are not going to vote for a democrat anyway.  I know that can also be an issue in the black community too... it's why John Conyers stayed in the closet.

i like Pete, but I wish he had run for something and actually built his governing resume since South Bend. I don't think Cabinet positions hone political skill like office holding.

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, oblong said:

The people who wouldn't vote for him for being gay are not going to vote for a democrat anyway.  I know that can also be an issue in the black community too... it's why John Conyers stayed in the closet.

Didn't Conyers end up resigning from Congress for inappropriate sexualized behavior with multiple women?

[gehringer_2]

17 hours ago, romad1 said:

so, is Trump thinking that Newsom is a preferred opponent for his favored candidate and that is why he's promoting him by the illegal harassment campaign?   Its obvious Trump manipulates markets and understands that when he attacks someone its good PR for that person. 

Newsome has the mental agility and energy to run rings around Trump, but he won't be running against Trump and the obnoxiousness that makes him a match against Trump might well be a liability in a race where everyone is tired of that brand of political entertainment. Not saying that's going to happen - I have no idea, but if things move that way over two years it won't be in Newsom's favor.

[oblong]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Didn't Conyers end up resigning from Congress for inappropriate sexualized behavior with multiple women?

Yes.  I forgot about that.  But I've heard rumors from different sources that he was closeted.

[gehringer_2]

9 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Didn't Conyers end up resigning from Congress for inappropriate sexualized behavior with multiple women?

That was the story. I think he was also losing it pretty badly and as a practical matter that was an easy way to get rid of  a liability at the peak of the 'me too' phase.

At one point it would have been easy to persuade me that the marriage to Monica was a sham, but  they did stick it out till the end.

Edited June 16 by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, oblong said:

Yes.  I forgot about that.  But I've heard rumors from different sources that he was closeted.

Let's start a rumor that Trump is closeted. I don't think that's fetched as far as most think.

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Let's start a rumor that Trump is closeted. I don't think that's fetched as far as most think.

YMCA, the Village People, Richard Grenell.  Yeah, he does seem to be overly obsessed with masculinity. 

 

[pfife]

4 hours ago, romad1 said:

YMCA, the Village People, Richard Grenell.  Yeah, he does seem to be overly obsessed with masculinity. 

 

14 dudes rolling on the ground shirtless in spandex on the south lawn during pride

[Motown Bombers]

10 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

i like Pete, but I wish he had run for something and actually built his governing resume since South Bend. I don't think Cabinet positions hone political skill like office holding.

He's a Michigan resident now. If he would have won governor or senate in a swing state like Michigan, and demonstrated he could perform well with the black vote in Detroit, he would have been the front runner. 

[romad1]

JD Vance being the negotiator for the Treaty of Versailles 2, Electric Boogaloo has got to be a supreme gift to Marco Rubio. 

Now lets see if Florida Man: Marco Rubio says "Hold my beer" with his plans for Cuba. 

[romad1]

JD Vance might have made a deal with the devil from either the SNL Jon Lovitz or Will Ferrel sketches. 

[romad1]

Two candidates

'Lying Thru His Teeth': Don Jr. Unloads on Ted Cruz

[romad1]

JD Vance rollout for 2028 has been so spectacular.  The man is aligned with some of the least popular oligarchs (Thiel) and is beyond chameleon in his moves. 

Guy on one of the pods this morning started to compare him to Richard Nixon as a class conscious merit-based climber who resented the elites. 

I think you could describe Rubio the same way.  Gonna be a lot of strife when two Nixons battle it out.  Its like the song "Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits.  

Quote

Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong
There's a protest singer, he's singing a protest song

He says, "They wanna have a war, keep their factories
They wanna have a war to keep us on our knees
They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease

They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
They wanna sap your energy, incarcerate your mind
Give ya "Rule Britannia", gassy beer, page three
Two weeks in España and Sunday striptease"
Meanwhile, the first Jesus says "I'll cure it soon
Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons"
The other one's out on hunger strike, he's dying by degrees
How come Jesus gets industrial disease?

 

[romad1]

On 6/24/2026 at 8:57 AM, romad1 said:

JD Vance rollout for 2028 has been so spectacular.  The man is aligned with some of the least popular oligarchs (Thiel) and is beyond chameleon in his moves. 

Guy on one of the pods this morning started to compare him to Richard Nixon as a class conscious merit-based climber who resented the elites. 

I think you could describe Rubio the same way.  Gonna be a lot of strife when two Nixons battle it out.  Its like the song "Industrial Disease" by Dire Straits.  

 

Now JD is openly warming to Nixon.  Is this the first primary election of 2028: who is more like Richard Nixon?