Tiger337 Posted July 16 Posted July 16 58 minutes ago, chasfh said: That depends on the quality of your getting old. Are you OK? Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 16 Posted July 16 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I am glad there are people here to provide this information. It seems like at around age 60, it has become harder to keep this kind of information in my brain. Logical and analytical thought is still strong, but the ability to keep these facts in my memory is getting more difficult. The processor is fine, but the memory is limited! It becomes more clear at 70..."just ask Edman"...crystal ! 1 Quote
chasfh Posted July 16 Posted July 16 43 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Are you OK? Sure, but let's be real. Someone suffering debilitation and incapacitation, needing 24/7 care for years on end, would be forgiven for preferring the alternative. That's what the whole Kevorkian thing is all about. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 16 Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, chasfh said: Sure, but let's be real. Someone suffering debilitation and incapacitation, needing 24/7 care for years on end, would be forgiven for preferring the alternative. That's what the whole Kevorkian thing is all about. And the Hemlock society and MAID in Canada. The question is always "when" and the answer is pretty difficult. Ive been through it with my Dad and my Mom is in the early stages. 1 Quote
papalawrence Posted July 16 Posted July 16 3 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I am glad there are people here to provide this information. It seems like at around age 60, it has become harder to keep this kind of information in my brain. Logical and analytical thought is still strong, but the ability to keep these facts in my memory is getting more difficult. The processor is fine, but the memory is limited! I'm 60 and my brain just keeps playing hee-haw episodes over and over Quote
chasfh Posted July 16 Posted July 16 From the Bucket of Cold Water Department: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7448740/2026/07/16/mlb-trade-deadline-buyers-sellers-tarik-skubal/ The trade deadline is a last-chance saloon for clubs to make outside additions, and this year’s market could feature the kind of prize that would energize a fanbase dreaming of winning the World Series: Detroit Tigers ace Tarik Skubal. But when it comes to the kind of big swing required to acquire a back-to-back Cy Young winner, most major-league executives have effectively become teetotalers. Billy Beane, the ex-player turned maverick executive who once reimagined the Athletics in ways that would challenge the sport’s Goliaths, recently used an equally boring description for himself and his peers as he discussed the changing nature of the trade deadline: Actuaries. “This is not a criticism. But by its nature, analytics generally are very conservative,” Beane said. “We sort of saw ourselves as actuaries, right? Actuaries from insurance companies. “In a very crude way, that’s what we were doing. Now, they’re doing it in an even more sophisticated way. And what do actuaries do? They mitigate risk.” The Aug. 3 deadline will still bring action. Though they’re not exactly taking on a gunslinger mentality, these traders are constantly reassessing their positions and exploring alternatives, working within a framework that should lead to a flurry of deals. But that more cautious approach comes with another consequence. The odds for the kind of jaw-dropping, what-just-happened deal that makes you squint at your phone to make sure you read that breaking-news alert right — in short, a blockbuster for a game-changer like Skubal — are dramatically reduced. A confluence of factors could inhibit Skubal’s market, if the Tigers decide to trade him. A lockout hangs over the sport. Expanded playoffs muddy the postseason picture. And as the trade deadline approaches, every front office is engaged in a form of groupthink in which blockbusters are much more the exception than the norm. For those reasons, club officials — including several who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the trade market in exchange for their candor — tempered expectations for this season’s deadline. ... Last year’s deadline day produced 36 trades, a record number. Between July 24 and July 31, clubs executed 63 deals involving 179 players. Most of those deals, however, were marginal in nature. Think about the risk in acquiring Skubal, which would be considerable. The left-handed ace will be a free agent at the end of the season, just before he turns 30. Six starts into his return from an innovative elbow surgery, he has yet to go beyond six innings. And, as a potential free agent, he will amount to a rental that costs his new team nearly $10 million in remaining salary, plus a strong package of young talent. With certain exceptions, most notably the San Diego Padres’ A.J. Preller, baseball’s modern-day decision-makers likely would shy away from risks. Indeed, most executives recoil from the question one of Beane’s disciples, Theo Epstein, asked when he acquired Aroldis Chapman for the Chicago Cubs in 2016. It is the same question an executive would need to ask before making a run at Skubal. “If not now, when?” ... “In the early days, I felt our market was an advantage,” said Beane, who remains a senior advisor to the Athletics as the franchise plans its relocation to Las Vegas. “We valued young players. Why? Because they were cheap and they were cost-effective. The Yankees were a bigger-market team and would sort of value proven players. It was an easier negotiation. “The game started changing when teams like the Yankees and Red Sox a long time ago, and certainly the Dodgers now, started valuing players at the same level. That transaction was harder. “Now, whether you’re with the smallest team or the largest team, every one of these guys understands present value, future value and surplus value of every single player in their organization, starting in the Dominican.” And some of those executives, as they run their models, see little value in all of the midsummer wheeling and dealing, contending that most trades rarely translate to a meaningful shift in a team’s playoff and World Series odds. “The deadline is way less impactful than people want to make it out to be,” an NL executive said. “Every year, there’s a team that sells and gets better. Every year, there’s a team that buys and falls out of the race in mid-August.” ... Preller, the Padres’ hyperactive lead executive, acquired outfielder Juan Soto with two additional years of control at the 2022 trade deadline, thinking the outfielder would be the same kind of transformative figure as Chapman. The Padres reached the National League Championship Series that season and seemed on a path to winning their first World Series title. But after the 2023 season, Preller was under pressure to reduce payroll and needed to pivot quickly. So, after initially parting with CJ Abrams, James Wood and MacKenzie Gore to obtain Soto from the Washington Nationals, Preller traded Soto to the Yankees in December 2023 to reshape the roster for a 2024 playoff run. He then pulled off another big move at last year’s deadline, making a prospect-heavy trade with the Athletics for Mason Miller, the All-Star closer who is under club control through 2029. No doubt Preller would love to acquire Skubal, if the Padres — who entered the break at .500, 3½ games back in the NL wild-card race — warrant such a push. But given the labor uncertainty and an even bigger premium placed on high-end prospects, an NL executive expressed skepticism about the Tigers moving their ace. “He might get traded, but the early asks are going to be outrageous,” the club official said. “And no one’s going to pay that. What the Cubs did to get Chapman, they were trying to break a 108-year curse. They were definitely overly aggressive. That kind of deal is not really happening anymore, especially going into a new CBA.” 3 Quote
papalawrence Posted July 16 Posted July 16 21 minutes ago, chasfh said: Sure, but let's be real. Someone suffering debilitation and incapacitation, needing 24/7 care for years on end, would be forgiven for preferring the alternative. That's what the whole Kevorkian thing is all about. I think that was on a Sesame Street episode in 1969 Quote
chasfh Posted July 16 Posted July 16 1 minute ago, papalawrence said: I'm 60 and my brain just keeps playing hee-haw episodes over and over Quote
Graterol Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Do we get a pick if we offer Flaherty a QO? Didn’t he accept a QO and therefore not eligible again (assuming no changes to cba)? Quote
Tigermojo Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 7 minutes ago, Graterol said: Do we get a pick if we offer Flaherty a QO? Didn’t he accept a QO and therefore not eligible again (assuming no changes to cba)? I thought the same thing but he had a player option in his contract he took rather than trying to make more with a QO. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 17 Posted July 17 2 predict 1sts.....2 predict 2nd. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2026-mlb-playoff-predictions-standings-projections/ 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 17 Posted July 17 ESPN not nearly as high on the Tigs..... https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49352481/mlb-2026-second-half-preview-rankings-projections-playoff-odds-all-30-teams Quote
Hongbit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Jon Jansen on 97.1 wants the Tigers to get Adrian Morejon so they can have a bullpen combo of More Jon Jansen. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 17 Posted July 17 20 hours ago, chasfh said: The arb hearing a couple years ago where they were so close on their numbers, Mize at $840K and the Tigers at 4815K; the resolved it with a compromise of $830K with a $3MM club option with a $10K buyout, an option the Tigers declined. It was kind of bad optics and maybe made the Tigers seem petty to go to the mat over a mere $25K. That was expressed by a lot of posters here at the time, that the then-newish Tiger front office were cheap-asses playing unnecessary hardball with players, implication being they might drive away players in the future because players don’t want to play for a cheap-ass hardballing front office.I guess we'll see whether that left a mark on him. Also, Hinch pulling him in games pretty quickly. Casey always just hands the ball and leaves, like a good teammate, but he always has a sour look on his face. In my bad memory and without looking it up, didnt Hinch have a very quick hook in a playoff game last season? Something like in the 3rd or 4th inning? Quote
4hzglory Posted July 17 Posted July 17 34 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Also, Hinch pulling him in games pretty quickly. Casey always just hands the ball and leaves, like a good teammate, but he always has a sour look on his face. In my bad memory and without looking it up, didnt Hinch have a very quick hook in a playoff game last season? Something like in the 3rd or 4th inning? Ok, so we’re(posters) talking about not starting Valdez (an established veteran whose our highest paid player) in the playoffs because he’s been average compared to the rest of the staff, but Mize being pulled early in a playoff game is an issue? again I think it’s mostly fan speculation. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Since this has been a line of discussion in this thread, here is further corroboration of the defensive value of Spencer Torkelson, courtesy of the SABR Defensive Index™: Player Team Pos SDI Christian Walker HOU 1B 3.7 Willson Contreras BOS 1B 3.2 Jake Burger TEX 1B 2.9 Pete Alonso BAL 1B 2.7 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. TOR 1B 2.6 Kody Clemens MIN 1B 2.5 Vinnie Pasquantino KCR 1B 2.3 Nolan Schanuel LAA 1B 1.7 Kyle Manzardo CLE 1B 1.3 Nick Kurtz ATH 1B 0.5 Josh Naylor SEA 1B -3.1 Jonathan Aranda TBR 1B -4.7 Spencer Torkelson DET 1B -5.2 Quote
chasfh Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Thoughts by Ken Rosenthal on The Athletic this morning: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7450837/2026/07/17/mlb-second-half-storylines-skubal-judge-playoffs/ Will the Tigers trade Tarik Skubal? On May 31, the Detroit Tigers were 22-38, the worst record in the majors. Since then they’re 22-14, tied for best record in the American League. Sure, they’re still eight games under .500. But in an AL with only five teams over .500, the Tigers are a budding juggernaut. As play resumes, they are 3 1/2 games back in the wild-card race, 6 1/2 games back in the AL Central and last in your blockbuster-loving hearts. It will be difficult for the Tigers to justify trading Skubal if they continue to climb, or remain even moderately in contention. They surely will listen on their back-to-back Cy Young winner in the odd chance some club wants to overwhelm them, perhaps with a quality controllable starter plus prospects for a short- and long-term benefit. But good luck finding such a team, particularly when the price for Skubal also would include nearly $10 million in remaining salary. I was almost certain a trade would happen when the Tigers were at their lowest, but circumstances have changed. They might change again, considering that the three teams ahead of the Tigers all could get stronger in the days ahead. The Cleveland Guardians are on the verge of getting back switch-hitters José Ramírez and Angel Martínez. The Chicago White Sox and Minnesota Twins might buy to a greater extent than they sell. The risk for the Tigers is that if their World Series quest sputters, Skubal will depart for only a draft pick. But the downside of trading him while in contention, for both their public relations and internal dynamics, might cause the franchise even greater damage. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 17 Posted July 17 2 hours ago, 4hzglory said: Ok, so we’re(posters) talking about not starting Valdez (an established veteran whose our highest paid player) in the playoffs because he’s been average compared to the rest of the staff, but Mize being pulled early in a playoff game is an issue? again I think it’s mostly fan speculation. What does Mize possibly looking to leave Detroit have to do with fans questioning Valdez possibly not starting a playoff game? Kinda confusing. Yes, it's all speculation about why Mize could possibly be unhappy. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, chasfh said: Since this has been a line of discussion in this thread, here is further corroboration of the defensive value of Spencer Torkelson, courtesy of the SABR Defensive Index™: Player Team Pos SDI Christian Walker HOU 1B 3.7 Willson Contreras BOS 1B 3.2 Jake Burger TEX 1B 2.9 Pete Alonso BAL 1B 2.7 Vladimir Guerrero Jr. TOR 1B 2.6 Kody Clemens MIN 1B 2.5 Vinnie Pasquantino KCR 1B 2.3 Nolan Schanuel LAA 1B 1.7 Kyle Manzardo CLE 1B 1.3 Nick Kurtz ATH 1B 0.5 Josh Naylor SEA 1B -3.1 Jonathan Aranda TBR 1B -4.7 Spencer Torkelson DET 1B -5.2 If we only acquire someone like that Clemens kid. Quote
4hzglory Posted July 17 Posted July 17 10 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: What does Mize possibly looking to leave Detroit have to do with fans questioning Valdez possibly not starting a playoff game? Kinda confusing. Yes, it's all speculation about why Mize could possibly be unhappy. I just find it funny that in the Valdez talk, it was about how as an established veteran with considerable postseason success, he should be ok being bumped from the rotation for being an average pitcher. Yet with Mize, who was still proving himself, him being pulled after 3-4 innings is seen as a reason he would be unhappy and want to leave. This season, Mize has earned, and is getting rewarded with, the chance to go longer. Recency bias shows he's being trusted more. Of course every pitcher is going to be disappointed/upset he is pulled in the moment. I'm sure Carpenter and Keith are every time they are pinch hit for. But I just don't think that will be a factor that leads to Mize desiring to leave. I think it comes down to $ and years and a place he is comfortable, which I believe he is comfortable here and with his relationships with his teammates. Quote
Nate7474 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 What is the date that you think the Tigers need to decide to be in or out on this season? I personally think they need to make that decision by July 27th which gives them a week to set up deals which means roughly 10 games prior to that date. What is the record we need to see in the next 10 games to hold pat/be buyers and sellers to maintain payroll due to competitive balance tax? For me I think they need to go at least 7-3 to even think about adding and anything less than 5-5 should be trying to unload expiring contracts. In between those 2 I am probably still shopping Skubal and maybe Torres but holding onto the other assets and still try and win. Quote
Edman85 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, Nate7474 said: What is the date that you think the Tigers need to decide to be in or out on this season? I personally think they need to make that decision by July 27th which gives them a week to set up deals which means roughly 10 games prior to that date. What is the record we need to see in the next 10 games to hold pat/be buyers and sellers to maintain payroll due to competitive balance tax? For me I think they need to go at least 7-3 to even think about adding and anything less than 5-5 should be trying to unload expiring contracts. In between those 2 I am probably still shopping Skubal and maybe Torres but holding onto the other assets and still try and win. August 2, if 2015 is any guide. 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 17 Posted July 17 58 minutes ago, 4hzglory said: I just find it funny that in the Valdez talk, it was about how as an established veteran with considerable postseason success, he should be ok being bumped from the rotation for being an average pitcher. Yet with Mize, who was still proving himself, him being pulled after 3-4 innings is seen as a reason he would be unhappy and want to leave. This season, Mize has earned, and is getting rewarded with, the chance to go longer. Recency bias shows he's being trusted more. Of course every pitcher is going to be disappointed/upset he is pulled in the moment. I'm sure Carpenter and Keith are every time they are pinch hit for. But I just don't think that will be a factor that leads to Mize desiring to leave. I think it comes down to $ and years and a place he is comfortable, which I believe he is comfortable here and with his relationships with his teammates. The Tigers drafted Mize high, paid him tons of money and stuck with him thru numerous injuries. It would be nice if he repaid that loyalty with a little loyalty of his own. Its one of the things I dont like about modern athletes, they just seem money hungry and leave teams that stuck with them thru bad times. Is Mize happy here? I have no idea, just speculation about why he possibly may not be. Who knows?? Quote
4hzglory Posted July 17 Posted July 17 17 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: The Tigers drafted Mize high, paid him tons of money and stuck with him thru numerous injuries. It would be nice if he repaid that loyalty with a little loyalty of his own. Its one of the things I dont like about modern athletes, they just seem money hungry and leave teams that stuck with them thru bad times. Is Mize happy here? I have no idea, just speculation about why he possibly may not be. Who knows?? I don't see anything that says Mize won't, assuming the $ and years are the same. I'm with Shelton, I have a hunch we end up resigning him. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 17 Posted July 17 I think Mize is gone..Injury prone and will be actually expensive going forward. Quote
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