1984Echoes Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: ... I’ve really liked seeing Montero be the guy in the bullpen—and I’d like to see us try to do the same thing with Reese Olson and Jake Miller to emphasize their abilities while maybe putting less innings on their arms... If there is one guy I'd love to try out in the bullpen... It's Spencer Strider from the Braves. Get him, stick him in one inning at a time... And I think he's Mason Miller 2.0. I am... very intrigued... by that idea. It's why he's on my "get list". Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 50 minutes ago, Edman85 said: You all know this, but good to see it getting some attention. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/07/tigers-trade-rumors-tarik-skubal-luxury-tax-compensation-pick.html it would some kind Hail Mary completion to get someone to take Jansen at the deadline. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: it would some kind Hail Mary completion to get someone to take Jansen at the deadline. Too bad no other team hired Al Avila as GM Quote
chasfh Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, NorthWoods said: I think all four of these are gone with Rogers the most likely to stay. Tork and Gleyber because they can be replaced for less $$ and Meadows because no one can count on him and he's really never produced over an extended period. What are we going to get back for Tork? Or are you saying flush him as a sunk cost. Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: It is pretty surprising how oblivious the Detroit media pundits are to this aspect of the situation. I brought it up to some radio host who posted a clip on TikTok saying the Tigers should just buy buy buy and release a bunch of players they don’t like at the deadline and it was like I was speaking Klingon to them. (And it wasn’t MCSonics) It's not surprising at all. Some of them are probably peripherally aware of it, but it's not the kind of thing that most readers care about (at least not in detail), so they aren't going to get into it. Edited July 22 by Tiger337 Quote
Shelton Posted July 22 Posted July 22 I think it’s really hard to get a sense on how this deadline will go, because Harris has never been in a position where the team’s playoff outlook was in question. And we don't have many examples from other teams in the recent past where they were a seller while still have a decent chance (better than 20% or so) of making the postseason. We definitely have not seen a deadline where a high-performing rental player was “available” from a team in that kind of situation. All of the really good rentals from years past were on teams headed to the postseason. Judge, Soto, Cease, Alonso, Ranger, Framber, etc. The odds of any one of those teams actually winning the World Series was never high enough to not make keeping a guy a big “risk” of losing him for nothing. Yet these teams held. So, I don’t know. I think unless the team truly has almost no chance, I think teams hold. Not because they think they are actually going to win (the field is always a much bigger favorite), but because this is why they play these games. They play to win and making moves that hurt a team with even a reasonable chance to win goes against most of what these folks stand for. I don’t recall anyone insisting that the yanks or Mets or padres or whatever had to trade their star pending FA or risk losing him for nothing. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 16 minutes ago, chasfh said: What are we going to get back for Tork? Or are you saying flush him as a sunk cost. Since his nadir in May, Tork's OPS is 745, his OBP is still terrible but he's hitting a HR every 16 or so ABs. He's at least not quite in the same catagory as Vierling and McK, who are really scuffling. Edited July 22 by gehringer_2 Quote
chasfh Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I believe you are right, but has their ever been a pitcher rental of Skubal's talent available at the deadline before? I am not expecting a big return, but I think his market is kind of an unknown. Still hoping for a 7-game winning streak right about now! CC Sabathia was just as coveted the year he went to Milwaukee. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 2 minutes ago, Shelton said: I don’t recall anyone insisting that the yanks or Mets or padres or whatever had to trade their star pending FA or risk losing him for nothing. No argument with the general idea here, but would note that the Tigers are not quite in the same ballpark as the Yankees/Mets/Padres in their *presumed* ability buy their way out of the cost 'losing Skubal for nothing', so that's some part of why people might be more likely to say it about the Tigers than those teams Quote
Shelton Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Just now, gehringer_2 said: No argument with the general idea here, but would note that the Tigers are not quite in the same ballpark as the Yankees/Mets/Padres in their *presumed* ability buy their way out of the cost 'losing Skubal for nothing', so that's some part of why people might be more likely to say it about the Tigers than those teams Do you mean ability to remain competitive by signing other players rather than filling your system with prospects and hoping some of them are solid major leaguers? Or do you mean the ability to re-sign the FA to be? I do think it is interesting how much the media buys into these restrictions. Because I think the tigers and the vast majority of other major league teams that aren’t in the uber markets are more than able to sign competent MLB players and even retain their stars, and least to a reasonable extent. For instance, we could easily keep Skubal, just like we were able to keep JV. We just can’t afford to also sign Upton and Zimmermann and Cabrera and Victor and Fielder and have them all bomb. Anyway, I reject the premise. But it’s also more than just those uber-teams that hold their FA to be when they aren’t effectively eliminated. Quote
Hongbit Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 26 minutes ago, chasfh said: CC Sabathia was just as coveted the year he went to Milwaukee. That was nearly 20 years ago. It’s not a similar comp as so much has changed about the game outside the lines. The markets are monumentally different. Just taking into account the difference in playoff structure from 8 to 12 teams is a massive shift. That alone brings many more potential suitors in the mix than in 2008. That’s just one difference and there are many more. Scherzer in 2021 from Nats to Dodgers is a better comp but even then he was much older and further away from his multiple cy years than Skubal. Edited July 22 by Hongbit Quote
casimir Posted July 22 Posted July 22 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: CC Sabathia was just as coveted the year he went to Milwaukee. 5 minutes ago, Hongbit said: That was nearly 20 years ago. Wow. Somebody pass me a prune. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: It's not surprising at all. Some of them are probably peripherally aware of it, but it's not the kind of thing that most readers care about (at least not in detail), so they aren't going to get into it. Well yeah, fair enough lol Quote
Edman85 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 One more thing with Sabathia. Up until 2011, players traded mid-season still netted draft pick compensation. They don't now. The Brewers, of course, got jack squat from the picks they received, but never mind that little nit pick. 2 Quote
tiger2022 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, NorthWoods said: I think the point was that required foresight, not hindsight. Because someone questioned if a 21 year old was ready to play? And all I said was it's hard to put so much on a young guy who never even played a game in AAA. That's typically a pretty safe assumption since most guys aren't ready when they are 21. Other people said Max Clark was ready and Bryce Rainier was going to be shooting up the ladder this year. As opposed to all the awful trades and free agent signings...those all required foresight. Plus I am not paid to be the GM of a mlb franchise and don't have access to the same information he does. Harris is like 1 for 30 on his moves so far. 1 Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 22 Posted July 22 2 hours ago, chasfh said: What are we going to get back for Tork? Or are you saying flush him as a sunk cost. I doubt he'd have much if any trade value as his price rises. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: it would some kind Hail Mary completion to get someone to take Jansen at the deadline. A Festivus miracle. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 22 Posted July 22 2 hours ago, casimir said: Wow. Somebody pass me a prune. Fiber capsules are much better. Trust me on this. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 Do any of us actually care about all the stuff coming out about Skubal supposedly knowing he was hurt in January and not disclosing it because of arbitration? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 22 Posted July 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shelton said: Do you mean ability to remain competitive by signing other players rather than filling your system with prospects and hoping some of them are solid major leaguers? Or do you mean the ability to re-sign the FA to be? I do think it is interesting how much the media buys into these restrictions. Because I think the tigers and the vast majority of other major league teams that aren’t in the uber markets are more than able to sign competent MLB players and even retain their stars, and least to a reasonable extent. For instance, we could easily keep Skubal, just like we were able to keep JV. We just can’t afford to also sign Upton and Zimmermann and Cabrera and Victor and Fielder and have them all bomb. Anyway, I reject the premise. But it’s also more than just those uber-teams that hold their FA to be when they aren’t effectively eliminated. What I meant was the perception that a big market team can buy simply buy back whatever talent they need in FA if they were to suffer the loss of a current player they failed to retain for whatever reason -- so the loss would be less severe for them. But in any case, the odds are that by the time the first MLB game is played following the '26 WS, the landscape is going to be different. If all the teams are now willing to pool all the TV money, the current status quo between the small and large market teams is going to change. And I've said it before, I don't know how much we can take Manfred at his word, but I don't see why he would announce that agreement between the teams as a fait accompli if the owners hadn't actually agreed. This is a reason it may be more likely than people think that the Tigers manage to retain Skubal. The fans and the talking heads have the present as their frame of reference, but the owner's know where they are trying to push the game. Edited July 22 by gehringer_2 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Shelton said: Do you mean ability to remain competitive by signing other players rather than filling your system with prospects and hoping some of them are solid major leaguers? Or do you mean the ability to re-sign the FA to be? I do think it is interesting how much the media buys into these restrictions. Because I think the tigers and the vast majority of other major league teams that aren’t in the uber markets are more than able to sign competent MLB players and even retain their stars, and least to a reasonable extent. For instance, we could easily keep Skubal, just like we were able to keep JV. We just can’t afford to also sign Upton and Zimmermann and Cabrera and Victor and Fielder and have them all bomb. Anyway, I reject the premise. But it’s also more than just those uber-teams that hold their FA to be when they aren’t effectively eliminated. This sounds exactly like the argument my son makes about Skubal. He insists the Tigers could afford him if they really wanted to. They would still make a lot of money, especially if he helped them make deep playoff runs. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 22 Posted July 22 3 hours ago, Shelton said: ... The odds of any one of those teams actually winning the World Series was never high enough to not make keeping a guy a big “risk” of losing him for nothing. Yet these teams held. ... I don't know what the Yankees chances were at the deadline in 2016... they finished the year 6 games above .500 ... But Cashman sold off his electric bullpen that year, both Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. The Padres this year are considering Mason Miller... Quote
Shelton Posted July 22 Posted July 22 15 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: This sounds exactly like the argument my son makes about Skubal. He insists the Tigers could afford him if they really wanted to. They would still make a lot of money, especially if he helped them make deep playoff runs. They haven’t had a reason to spend big on anyone in a while. In the past they have. They are pushing up against the tax limit this season. They can sign him. The idea they cannot is silly. And it doesn’t really matter matter how much revenue to assign to him specifically. Just seems like people are relying on old and inaccurate data about what the tigers can do financially. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted July 22 Posted July 22 1 minute ago, Shelton said: They haven’t had a reason to spend big on anyone in a while. In the past they have. They are pushing up against the tax limit this season. They can sign him. The idea they cannot is silly. And it doesn’t really matter matter how much revenue to assign to him specifically. Just seems like people are relying on old and inaccurate data about what the tigers can do financially. It depends if Skubal really wants to sign or not. If he's determined to test the market, I understand. He's saying all the right things and the silence from the FO is deafening. Who knows?? Quote
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