2026 Trade deadline

[LongLiveMaroth]

 

[NorthWoods]

1 hour ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I've been talking about next year  for two years now. I dunno what bug went up your ass but let it out bro.... 

So you're opposed to the Melton rebuild?   Wouldn't now be doing it right since we'd be ahead of the curve?  With so much control we could probably stock up enough players for 2 more rebuilds.

[LongLiveMaroth]

 

[1984Echoes]

30 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

 

I see the Phillies are also rumored for Mize...

If it's the Phillies... they need to give us their #1 pitching prospect Gage Wood or their #2 prospect SS Aidan Miller.

IMO.

[RatkoVarda]

still looking for a RH RF - both short and long term.

not sweating that Jo Adell is off to Cleveland; bad player who has been pounding LHP this year. would like a Torres for Suzuki swap but Cubs have no need for Torres. Kevin Alcantara is a low floor high ceiling guy with too much swing and miss IMO.

Jason Beck is in the minors for Colorado; maybe take a shot at him as a J Jones type who can actually play the OF.

Malgeri is probably not the answer. AZ has some RH OFs but that's a big ask for Mize.

Edited August 3 by RatkoVarda

[papalawrence]

4 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

still looking for a RH RF - both short and long term.

not sweating that Jo Adell is off to Cleveland; bad player who has been pounding LHP this year. would like a Torres for Suzuki swap but Cubs have no need for Torres. Kevin Alcantara is a low floor high ceiling guy with too much swing and miss IMO.

Jason Beck is in the minors for Colorado; maybe take a shot at him as a J Jones type who can actually play the OF.

Malgeri is probably not the answer. AZ has some RH OFs but that's a big ask for Mize.

Adell is going to Cleveland! Guaranteed he will hit 7 home runs his first series vs Detroit 

Edited August 3 by papalawrence

[LongLiveMaroth]

23 minutes ago, LongLiveMaroth said:

 

 

[theroundsquare]

 i read that jake is a red sox now

[RatkoVarda]

cannot recall a team changing both their catchers at the trade deadline

(I guess Wong is sticking around?)

[4hzglory]

56 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

still looking for a RH RF - both short and long term.

not sweating that Jo Adell is off to Cleveland; bad player who has been pounding LHP this year. would like a Torres for Suzuki swap but Cubs have no need for Torres. Kevin Alcantara is a low floor high ceiling guy with too much swing and miss IMO.

Jason Beck is in the minors for Colorado; maybe take a shot at him as a J Jones type who can actually play the OF.

Malgeri is probably not the answer. AZ has some RH OFs but that's a big ask for Mize.

Not sure RH OF is long term need as much as it was pre Harris.  They guys Harris has focused on drafting/developing have not had the platoon splits going through the minors that Avila's have.  Clark/McGonigle, even Hope.   And at Toledo, Callahan is also doing well as a Carpenter type bat who has speed and can play all 3 positions.

[LongLiveMaroth]

Nice gets by STL

 

[1984Echoes]

In the short-term... I think Valencia, Hao Yu Lee, and if they needed to add one more bat than call up Max Anderson and these guys are the lefty-killers for this year.

I agree on the long-term with 4hz... I don't see a need beyond what we already have. Especially with our best lefty hitters with close to no platoon splits.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said:

I think if we traded him before the year started, we could have had De Paula. But since we waited, we got less (which is how it works). I think this is the best return we could have gotten as well because we waited to deal him. Before the year, I think we could have gotten the full Wrobleski, De Paula, Ryan, Smith package. Hindsight is always easier though ehh. 

You know, that's what Rick Hahn, late of the White Sox front office, said as well on the Network today: Tigers should have traded Skubal over the winter to maximize the return on him. But I really don't understand the thinking behind why that makes him more valuable to trade in the offseason. I get that would have given the Dodgers an entire season of Skubal, which theoretically drives up the price by a lot, but on the other hand, I don't see what the incentive is for them to empty out the top of their system to a team that's looking as though they're desperate all of a sudden to get rid of their 2x Cy Young winner, and completely out of the blue. And can you imagine the earful of **** from Tigers fans, media, and basically everyone else the quarter-zip brainiac would have had to put up with had he traded Skubal in March? Maybe you can't, but I sure can. I'm not sure Hahn considered all sides of the equation on his comment, especially since he didn't explain his thinking about it at all. Maybe that's why he's been out of the game for going on three years now. 

[monkeytargets39]

Brewers settle on Dustin May.  Yeah great that’ll do it for the fan base.

[KL2]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

You know, that's what Rick Hahn, late of the White Sox front office, said as well on the Network today: Tigers should have traded Skubal over the winter to maximize the return on him. But I really don't understand the thinking behind why that makes him more valuable to trade in the offseason. I get that would have given the Dodgers an entire season of Skubal, which theoretically drives up the price by a lot, but on the other hand, I don't see what the incentive is for them to empty out the top of their system to a team that's looking as though they're desperate all of a sudden to get rid of their 2x Cy Young winner, and completely out of the blue. And can you imagine the earful of **** from Tigers fans, media, and basically everyone else the quarter-zip brainiac would have had to put up with had he traded Skubal in March? Maybe you can't, but I sure can. I'm not sure Hahn considered all sides of the equation on his comment, especially since he didn't explain his thinking about it at all. Maybe that's why he's been out of the game for going on three years now. 

Full year and the team that got him could have offered a QO

[monkeytargets39]

29 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

In the short-term... I think Valencia, Hao Yu Lee, and if they needed to add one more bat than call up Max Anderson and these guys are the lefty-killers for this year.

I agree on the long-term with 4hz... I don't see a need beyond what we already have. Especially with our best lefty hitters with close to no platoon splits.

They should call up Anderson but things are going to start getting tight with the 40 man as more guys come off the 60-Day

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, mtutiger said:

And the reality is that if the Brewers and Rays weren't going to play ball (and by all accounts, they weren't), that impacts the price that would ultimately be returned as well.

That sort of nuance gets left out of a lot of trade talk.... there wasn't a bidding war for Skubal's services, which left them what the Dodgers were willing to offer up. Which in the grand scheme of things was fine.

This, right here. This. We had very specific needs: plus right fielder who's close; big league ready arm; and solid guy ready down the line. The Dodgers both knew that, and fully understand what other teams have and what they are willing to give up.

The Brewers were never going to cough up Jesus Made for Skubal, and we would definitely not have been happy with a deal headlined by Luis Pena. The Braves and Phillies don't have the prospect capital/positional depth we need to make us offers that compel us to act. And the Rays just don't make deals like this. The Dodgers almost certainly were, in reality, the only ones standing almost from the beginning, so they knew how deep down their list they could offer to acquire their target and still keep their very best guys in their system.

No one here was a fly on that wall, but my guess is that Zyhir was the headliner in the original offer and Harris plussed it up to include both Ryan and Smith. I would bet there was exactly one back and forth on it, since I would guess there was a very narrow stable of possibilities on offer overall. But that's me imagining how it went as a negotiation. Bottom line is, I agree there was no bidding war.

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

We don't have time travel, so it's not possible to do do that.  If we did, I am pretty sure that most players from the early eras of the game would fail today.  I am interested in the best way to rank players across different eras.  I don't think it's fair or particularly interesting to base it on "what would Honus Wagner be like if they transported him to today".    

Time travel is just as likely as Old Hoss being born in 2000 without being a completely different person. It's all conjecture, anyway.

In any event, I believe just about any Triple A team could go back in a time machine to 1926 and win 120 games in those major leagues, for lots of reasons. For whatever that's worth.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

this. Baseball, hitting especially,  probably more than most sports, depends on a set of genetic gifts that are likely not distributed any differently in the population today than they ever were. Ted Williams had extraordinary vision capacity that set him apart and allowed him to excel as a hitter. In today's world he would still have that extra-ordinary vision that would set him apart and if he took advantage of all the  science, equipment and training tech available today, that extraordinary perceptual apparatus would stlll put him head and shoulders above 99% of the hitters in today's game, just like it did in 1938.

Ted Williams might be the one guy I could see time traveling from 1941 to today and becoming a major league contributor with the least amount of ramp up time. Maybe Josh Gibson, too, although I don't know nearly as much about him and his specific baseball-related physical gifts.

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, papalawrence said:

How many of you are going to watch Skubal pitch vs the Cubs tomorrow eve? If I'm done with work fast enough I will watch

I would have liked to be one of the few guys on the planet to see both Skubal's last game in Detroit and first game as a Dodger—and I still can, I guess—but alas, unless my STH partner invites me to take his wife's ticket, I'll have to be satisfied with going on Wednesday as currently scheduled.

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

In any event, I believe just about any Triple A team could go back in a time machine to 1926 and win 120 games in those major leagues, for lots of reasons. For whatever that's worth.

I think they could too.  That's true in any sport.  But that doesn't mean I am going to leave Hornsby off my alltime top three second baseman list.  

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, papalawrence said:

I will. He was a superstar that I followed for several years. Just like JV, I will still follow, and hope the Dodgers lose 1-0. I hate the Dodgers 

Honestly, I would not mind seeing Skubal become charmingly human and pitch to a 3.50 ERA and a 4 FIP for the rest of the season.

[IdahoBert]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Honestly, I would not mind seeing Skubal become charmingly human and pitch to a 3.50 ERA and a 4 FIP for the rest of the season.

Yes, I don’t wish Skubal ill, but I do wish the Dodgers ill, and the NL, even though they didn’t demonstrate it in the All-Star game, which basically means nothing, has some pretty darn good hitters in it. It’s totally possible he could be challenged a little more, but I haven’t bothered to look up what his stats against NL teams are.

[chasfh]

23 minutes ago, KL2 said:

Full year and the team that got him could have offered a QO

But why should they offer up anything more to a team looking desperate to dump Skubal in March than they gave us at this year's deadline? A negotiator doesn't offer all their best assets to a desperate trade partner.

[chasfh]

To any people holding onto the hope that we're going to inexplicably dump Jansen on some sucker at this deadline, you can forget about that. He is our closer for the duration, full stop.

You can console yourself with this: in his last ten games going back to the beginning of July, Jansen has given up exactly one run in 9-1/3 innings—and that was Saturday. He has a 0.96 ERA, a 2.53 xERA, and a 2.99 FIP in that stretch. He's also struck out 11 and give up only five hits.

Yes, there is a big fly in that ointment: the seven walks. That's not nothing. But he has reduced his pitches in the heart of the order from 26.2% to 22.4%, and increased his pitches in the shadow from 21.1% to 27.7%. But, also, he has increased whiff rates in the heart and in the shadow, so his pitches in the zone overall have been more effective. He's harder to square up and that's led to softer contact.