Sports_Freak Posted June 22 Posted June 22 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: I am pro ghost runner. It does shorten games. Those lengthy extra inning games are slogs and completely wreck pitching staffs. I am glad there is no ghost runner in the playoffs. Alas, I had some major major stuff going on in my life and couldn't stay up for Game 3 last year. I don't know. I think games would still end more quickly because of a lack of quality arms after a 9th inning. Long games would be an exception. Teams all use their setup men and closer by the 9th inning. (Their better pitchers). But yeah, I agree that a random really long game would blow your bullpen for a couple of days. I'm really glad yesterday didn't go too long because of who we're playing this week. Quote
oblong Posted June 22 Posted June 22 I was sitting outside at Tiffany's in Frankenmuth during the last few innings following on Game Day. After watching it seems like the Sox played poor defense. There was the non play at 1B and I thought Tork and Vierling's balls could have been caught. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: And I dont like seeing a different pitcher for the 6th inning, 7th inning, 8th inning and 9th inning. I think it's really stupid and I fall back to a Jim Leyland comment..."keep changing pitchers and eventually one of them will give it up." He was old school and I even heard him say, about stats, "we don't play the game on a computer." Yeah, he usually said that kind of stuff with a mouthful of food. 😆😆 But my point is, the game seems to change and either go with it or just stop watching. Extra innings...complete games and bullpen usage is totally different than it was when I first started following but it's still the same game. A pitcher throwing the ball and a hitter trying to hit it. Its not fake, those guys are really competing in the same way they did for over 100 years. When you fundamentally change the rules of the game, it is NOT the same game. Different bullpen usage and forcing a new rule are not the same at all. In track, mile times have gotten faster over the years because runners train differently, have better shoes, etc, but it's always been a one mile race on flat ground. Maybe some people liked it better when race preparation was less scientific, less professional, but it's still the same race. If they changed the race to three quarters of of a mile on flat ground and then a quarter mile down hill, that would make it a different race. Maybe some people would like it because it would be faster paced at the end, but it wouldn't be the same race. That's how I see extra innings now. It's not the same game. It's fundamentally different than it was before. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Edman85 said: I am pro ghost runner. It does shorten games. Those lengthy extra inning games are slogs and completely wreck pitching staffs. I am glad there is no ghost runner in the playoffs. Alas, I had some major major stuff going on in my life and couldn't stay up for Game 3 last year. If the extra inning runners save pitching staffs, then why have injuries not decreased in frequency? It seems like there are more injuries than ever now. I understand that a long extra inning game can make managing a pitching staff difficult over the next few games, but that's not such a bad thing. Strategic bullpen management is part of the game. The bad thing would be if it led to injuries, but it does not look like anything they are doing in the modern game is decreasing injuries. As an aside, I don't like the term "ghost runner" because ghost runner had a totally different meaning when I was growing up. Edited June 22 by Tiger337 1 Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 22 Posted June 22 25 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: When you fundamentally change the rules of the game, it is NOT the same game. Different bullpen usage and forcing a new rule are not the same at all. In track, mile times have gotten faster over the years because runners train differently, have better shoes, etc, but it's always been a one mile race on flat ground. Maybe some people liked it better when race preparation was less scientific, less professional, but it's still the same race. If they changed the race to three quarters of of a mile on flat ground and then a quarter mile down hill, that would make it a different race. Maybe some people would like it because it would be faster paced at the end, but it wouldn't be the same race. That's how I see extra innings now. It's not the same game. It's fundamentally different than it was before. I don't like it because teams use small ball, which i find boring. But as a means to getting games over more quickly and not seeing terrible pitchers blowing games, fine. Whatever, like I said, it's a universal rule that's the same for everyone. Still the same game, pitcher throwing ball, hitter trying to hit ball. Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 7 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: I don't like it because teams use small ball, which i find boring. But as a means to getting games over more quickly and not seeing terrible pitchers blowing games, fine. Whatever, like I said, it's a universal rule that's the same for everyone. Still the same game, pitcher throwing ball, hitter trying to hit ball. It is fine if you have gotten used to it, but it is not the same game at all. It is fundamentally different and I find it disconcerting to see a free runner at second base out of nowhere after watching one of the best games of the year. Quote
oblong Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Just imagine if they played innings 10 and 11, then if no winner, they did a HR hitting contest. One analysis I saw early on was that visiting teams had a slight edge because they have the opportunity to score first and if they do, then the home team plays from behind and "teams play different when behind".... that's what they said at least. I don't know enough about football to know how similar but its the same concept. In OT Set up each team in a position where it's kind of easy to score, then let them fight it out in turn. Maybe to address your concern Lee with yesterday.... if a team makes 3 outs without a hit or walk or error... then the run doesn't count. If they score the run after 2 outs are made, but the 3rd is clean, then it gets taken away. Quote
lordstanley Posted June 22 Posted June 22 Games tied at the end of 9 innings can be decided by a spin of the roulette wheel. Sponsored by the usual suspects. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 20 minutes ago, oblong said: Just imagine if they played innings 10 and 11, then if no winner, they did a HR hitting contest. One analysis I saw early on was that visiting teams had a slight edge because they have the opportunity to score first and if they do, then the home team plays from behind and "teams play different when behind".... that's what they said at least. I don't know enough about football to know how similar but its the same concept. In OT Set up each team in a position where it's kind of easy to score, then let them fight it out in turn. Maybe to address your concern Lee with yesterday.... if a team makes 3 outs without a hit or walk or error... then the run doesn't count. If they score the run after 2 outs are made, but the 3rd is clean, then it gets taken away. Play innings 10 and 11 the right way and then they can do whatever they want after that. tie game, home run derby, bases loaded with 3-2 count. Whatever! That would only be about 4-5 game a year. I can handle that. Right now, it's like 14-15 game per year and that's just too much. Quote
romad1 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 3 hours ago, romad1 said: I strongly hope to avoid any sort of shootout nonsense to resolve games. I think a demonstration of bunting expertise off a Jugs MINI3 pitching Machine set on the fastest possible speed (80mph) would be interesting way to settle the game. Whomever can get the ball to land the closest to the pitching rubber? Quote
Sports_Freak Posted June 22 Posted June 22 2 hours ago, oblong said: Just imagine if they played innings 10 and 11, then if no winner, they did a HR hitting contest. One analysis I saw early on was that visiting teams had a slight edge because they have the opportunity to score first and if they do, then the home team plays from behind and "teams play different when behind".... that's what they said at least. I don't know enough about football to know how similar but its the same concept. In OT Set up each team in a position where it's kind of easy to score, then let them fight it out in turn. Maybe to address your concern Lee with yesterday.... if a team makes 3 outs without a hit or walk or error... then the run doesn't count. If they score the run after 2 outs are made, but the 3rd is clean, then it gets taken away. Lee has the right idea...play the 10th and 11th innings with no ghost runner. If it's still tied? End it in a tie. That would help break ties at the end of the year. But as it is, we have 2 choices. Watch it or walk away and not watch it. I choose to watch it... Quote
oblong Posted June 22 Posted June 22 That's never going to change. The players like it. The owners like it. That's all that matters. Like the playoffs you just have to go with the momentum and look for tweaks in the system they're going to give us. Quote
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