Deleterious Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 From Google: Quote Quinten Post is the first restricted free agent (worth at least $5 million annually) to change teams via an unmatched offer sheet since Bogdan Bogdanović left the Sacramento Kings for the Atlanta Hawks in 2020 Quote
buddha Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, Deleterious said: Denver is in a rough spot. 5 spots to fill and $7 million from the 2nd apron? Which means they are already in the luxury tax. Bobby Marks was on a podcast recently. He said if they waive Valancunas and signed Peyton Watson to a $25 million a year contract, his deal would cost them an extra $177 million in luxury tax penalties this year. Just his deal, that doesn't count the other 4 spots they have to fill. why doesnt someone offer sheet him? is he restricted? Quote
Deleterious Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 52 minutes ago, buddha said: why doesnt someone offer sheet him? is he restricted? I think Brooklyn and Memphis are the only two teams with cap space left and both are under $10 million. He was rumored to be looking for $25-$30 million AAV. There are a lot of reports the Clippers are trying to work out an S&T for him. Quote
ben9753 Posted July 9 Posted July 9 And people wonder why rich people are held in such disdain. Its not just that they'd do this, it's that no one tells them they can't. 1 Quote
Deleterious Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 The reported price Washington is asking for AD. Butler, multiple first round picks, multiple first round swaps, and multiple second round picks. That is a lot more than Washington have to to get him. But Golden State needs him to get Lebron, supposedly. So Washington can ask for the moon. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 He is 29 years old with a dream job. Doing play by play for a team with an epic player about to go on an epic run. Then he pissed it away. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 9 Author Posted July 9 What a joke. They couldn't have told everyone two weeks before free agency that he isn't eligible for a trade? Toronto is hosed. Reminds me of the Rozier situation. He was under investigation for gambling but the league told nobody. Miami trades for him, and he eventually gets suspended and Miami basically lost a draft pick. If a player has a potential punishment pending, he should be ruled ineligible for trade until it's resolved. Quote
NorthWoods Posted July 9 Posted July 9 16 hours ago, papalawrence said: Certainly not. More from hearing teammates saying they are worried about him, and seeing a change in his affect and demeanor during interviews post being cut by Chicago. And part of it is a clinician's instinct. I say that as a licensed mental health professional of 37 years who happens to be a Christian. I haven't seen the teammate quotes. I think he got a raw deal when comparing what he said to what others have said/done. It is what it is. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 10 Author Posted July 10 Boston paid him about $300 million. He was traded to a place that will probably pay him another $300 million. Yeah, don't become a basketball player. 1 Quote
Betrayer Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) 15 hours ago, Deleterious said: Boston paid him about $300 million. He was traded to a place that will probably pay him another $300 million. Yeah, don't become a basketball player. Average lifetime salary in the US is around 1.7M. This dude makes nearly 35 times that EVERY YEAR. What an idiot. Edited to add: That's not even counting endorsement money. Edited July 10 by Betrayer Quote
casimir Posted July 10 Posted July 10 On 7/9/2026 at 12:25 PM, ben9753 said: And people wonder why rich people are held in such disdain. Its not just that they'd do this, it's that no one tells them they can't. Yeah, where is the NHL with this? Why don’t they step and say, uh, no Clown shoes, we’re not doing that to one of the more hallowed and storied (oh boy, the stories it could tell) trophies in professional sports? Quote
casimir Posted July 10 Posted July 10 16 hours ago, Deleterious said: Boston paid him about $300 million. He was traded to a place that will probably pay him another $300 million. Yeah, don't become a basketball player. I triple dog dare my current employer to trade me to a competitor who will offer me a $300M contract. Pretty please. 1 Quote
Jimbo Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Like becoming a professional basketball is a choice that anyone would turn down. Any professional sports. But if your that athletic and you could choose, basketball is probably top of the list. I am sure basketball players have their own health issues when they get older although it might be the best for not having to deal with brain injuries that often. Any profession that deals with a lot of $, there is a lack of loyalty. There isn't loyalty with the players either in todays sports. I am also confused on what happened with him in Boston. Thought he wanted to go to a team he could be alpha. Was he annoyed that he took them to the playoffs but the team still thought Tatum was #1 and that annoyed him? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) Yup. Jaylen should count himself lucky he wasn't a minimum wage employee when he got riffed and found out there is no more loyalty in the rest of the business world than there is in sports. Edited July 10 by gehringer_2 Quote
papalawrence Posted July 11 Posted July 11 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: Yup. Jaylen should count himself lucky he wasn't a minimum wage employee when he got riffed and found out there is no more loyalty in the rest of the business world than there is in sports. Two of the clinics where I work abruptly closed shop 2 weeks ago. Dozens lost their jobs. We all take less pay because our clinics mostly serve immigrants and homeless. I'm retained because I am funded by one of the few remaining grants. Yeah, tough to hear anyone complain who makes a gazillion times what I make, and my job is always hanging by a thread 2 Quote
Deleterious Posted July 14 Author Posted July 14 The union is pretty upset that Wemby took the 25% max instead of the 30%. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 14 Posted July 14 31 minutes ago, Deleterious said: The union is pretty upset that Wemby took the 25% max instead of the 30%. I don't get that. It means more players will get more money. That money is still 100% going to be spent on their roster 1 Quote
KL2 Posted July 14 Posted July 14 (edited) 53 minutes ago, papalawrence said: I don't get that. It means more players will get more money. That money is still 100% going to be spent on their roster A) that’s only true if the team spends the rest b) it artificially suppresses the market. Team can go well wemby is getting paid x why should we pay you, player who is less good, x plus. Basically sports unions want to push as many teams to the cap, so owners will be ok with the cap to go up just for teams to do anything, thus raising the overall pay scale for all players. Instead, of discount today to help sign more guys under the current cap so owners feel no need to raise it. c) it undermines unions and the thing they fight for. Owners: Oh you got guys take discounts? Well no reason to change arbitration it’s clear your members don’t care or think the current pay structure is fine - that kinda of thinking scare unions d) from a union perspective they want max contracts for all players all the time. They don’t want lesser players thinking they need to take less. Most guys get one maybe two contracts that they are gonna have to live off of for 60 years. They drill in players heads to make as much cause it the scheme of things it’s short lived and to earn as much as you can. e) the world changes. Back in the 90s we thought guys were making tons. Take for example grant hill. He made $120 some odd million his career. While I’m sure he’s not hurting, Duran is gonna make that in what two years? Cost go up and you never know what a dollar is worth so make as much as you can today cause in 55 years who knows what it will be worth. Your thoughts make sense in a vacuum or a video game. From a fan perspective it makes sense. But there are real world implications in leaving money on the table. Edited July 14 by KL2 Quote
papalawrence Posted July 14 Posted July 14 15 hours ago, KL2 said: A) that’s only true if the team spends the rest b) it artificially suppresses the market. Team can go well wemby is getting paid x why should we pay you, player who is less good, x plus. Basically sports unions want to push as many teams to the cap, so owners will be ok with the cap to go up just for teams to do anything, thus raising the overall pay scale for all players. Instead, of discount today to help sign more guys under the current cap so owners feel no need to raise it. c) it undermines unions and the thing they fight for. Owners: Oh you got guys take discounts? Well no reason to change arbitration it’s clear your members don’t care or think the current pay structure is fine - that kinda of thinking scare unions d) from a union perspective they want max contracts for all players all the time. They don’t want lesser players thinking they need to take less. Most guys get one maybe two contracts that they are gonna have to live off of for 60 years. They drill in players heads to make as much cause it the scheme of things it’s short lived and to earn as much as you can. e) the world changes. Back in the 90s we thought guys were making tons. Take for example grant hill. He made $120 some odd million his career. While I’m sure he’s not hurting, Duran is gonna make that in what two years? Cost go up and you never know what a dollar is worth so make as much as you can today cause in 55 years who knows what it will be worth. Your thoughts make sense in a vacuum or a video game. From a fan perspective it makes sense. But there are real world implications in leaving money on the table. San Antonio will spend that money on other players, I will wager my vintage Dr J converse hi-tops on that. And this max/super-max era creates a situation where more players end up underpaid, imho. 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted July 14 Posted July 14 20 minutes ago, papalawrence said: San Antonio will spend that money on other players, I will wager my vintage Dr J converse hi-tops on that. And this max/super-max era creates a situation where more players end up underpaid, imho. Yeah, I saw how the Union is trying to get so SuperMax only counts as Max for Salary cap/Apron purposes. IMO, since this only applies to teams retaining players, that makes sense as you see teams potentially rooting for their players not to make All NBA because of the cap implications. Quote
Deleterious Posted July 15 Author Posted July 15 They could have paid Victor his 30% plus everyone else on the team. There is no mechanism in the CBA stopping them from doing that. All he did was save ownership some money. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 15 Posted July 15 On 7/9/2026 at 2:53 PM, NorthWoods said: I haven't seen the teammate quotes. I think he got a raw deal when comparing what he said to what others have said/done. It is what it is. By my voicing concern for his mental health, are you insinuating I am somehow taking a dig at his Christian faith? How is he getting a raw deal? He was a #5 pick, landing in the city where his mom played. Then he's had injury after injury and got traded, while the Pistons flourished without him. That would be hard for most everyone. Then he got cut and so far is out of the nba. So yes, I have concern for his mental health. He said publically he was suicidal after the first injury. I hope he is getting some healing, and more than just his leg injury. I'm not mocking his faith. On livestream, Jaden Ivey says he had suicidal thoughts after breaking his leg - The Athletic https://share.google/0zWdX52IycB0sbiMt 1 Quote
Betrayer Posted July 15 Posted July 15 15 hours ago, Deleterious said: They could have paid Victor his 30% plus everyone else on the team. There is no mechanism in the CBA stopping them from doing that. All he did was save ownership some money. Getting into the tax and then the repeater is definitely an issue for building a championship team as many teams are discovering. Spurs have a lot of people to pay coming up. I would have done the same thing as Victor because winning championships makes you more money in the long run (sponsorships, legacy, etc) and really, these guys are making hundreds of times a normal person's lifetime salary in just one year (not even counting sponsorships)...he'll be fine. He's making sure his team has more money to spend on good players to help him win without hitting aprons and repeater taxes in the future that make it harder to build a repeating championship winner. Smart move. Quote
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