5/7 4:05 Tigers @ Astros

[Motor City Sonics]

2 minutes ago, UCFKNIGHT said:

Another BS ridiculous effort from this team. How long will the IIitch family continue to accept this mediocrity?

as long as they make a profit

 

[mtutiger]

I will say kudos to ERod today... he's gotten a lot of crap, way more than he's deserved. Nice to see him flash some dominance.

[SeattleMike]

31 minutes ago, Dtrain72 said:

Gawdamn this team is fucking garbage.  Fire everybody, burn it down.

Didn't the Tigers already try that? 

[SeattleMike]

28 minutes ago, BBFCFM said:

It’s embarrassing how they cannot drive runners in scoring position in

Games like today happen. If the Tigers continue to put 13 guys on base, with some extra base power, as they did today, they will start scoring more runs.  Problem hasn't necessarily been hitting with men on base it's been getting men on base and hitting for power. Maybe today is the start of something. 

[mtutiger]

Just now, SeattleMike said:

Games like today happen. If the Tigers continue to put 13 guys on base, with some extra base power, as they did today, they will start scoring more runs.  Problem hasn't necessarily been hitting with men on base it's been getting men on base and hitting for power. Maybe today is the start of something. 

From your lips to God's ears.

But man, it's frustrating in the moment 

[gehringer_2]

It was inevitable that while they were congratulating themselves on the low ERA of the BP that the walks they were getting away with eventually would burn them. To many arms in the pen have not been able to throw strikes.

[SeattleMike]

10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

It was inevitable that while they were congratulating themselves on the low ERA of the BP that the walks they were getting away with eventually would burn them. To many arms in the pen have not been able to throw strikes.

Middle of the pack in BB/9. Near the bottom in K/9. Second best in HRs allowed. Screams regression. Shame the offense and starting pitching couldn't take advantage of the bullpen's 3-week stretch of smoke and mirrors. 

[mtutiger]

The question of whether the bullpen is beginning to regress is a good one, but within the context of this particular game, I'm not sure even the Dodgers or Yankees could reasonably expect to win a game with 23 LOB.

Edited May 8, 2022 by mtutiger

[gehringer_2]

Just now, mtutiger said:

The question of whether the bullpen is beginning to regress is a good one, but within the context of this particular game, I'm not sure even the Dodgers or Yankees could expect to win a game with 23 LOB.

true enough.

[buddha]

could be worse...cubs pitchers have given up only 1 hit....and walked NINE.  trailing 4-2 in the ninth.

edit: two hits.  betts just homered.

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, Dtrain72 said:

How long will they continue to want to own this team?  Chris is approaching Lions Ford fam territory....

With all the revenue that comes from owning a major sports franchise?

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

It was inevitable that while they were congratulating themselves on the low ERA of the BP that the walks they were getting away with eventually would burn them. To many arms in the pen have not been able to throw strikes.

While it’s true the bullpen are performing much better this year than they have in many years, it’s also worth reiterating that the idea of the Tigers bullpen being among the best in baseball was really always a mirage.

Going into yesterday’s game, the HR/9 rate of 0.36 was so low because the HR/FB rate of 3.4% was also by far the lowest in baseball. HR/FB is widely considered a measure of luck rather than skill. This helped lower their BABIP to .235, second best in baseball, and also a luck measure.

The bullpen was in the bottom four of thirty teams in K/9, while being merely middle of the road in BB/9. They were also seventh best in stranding runners on base, also largely a luck metric. 

But most concerning should have been how hard the ball was coming off the bat with Tiger relievers on the mound. The barrel and hard hit rates yielded by us were fifth highest in the majors, and average exit velocity was seventh highest. Swinging strike rates were also middle of the pack, and called strike rates were along the lowest in the game.

All this means that Tiger relievers were missing more bats than most teams, allowing more balls in play, and opposing batters were seeing the ball better and hitting the ball harder than against most other teams, but the ball had been seeing its way into our gloves far more than normal, resulting in more outs and fewer runs given up, so, lucky us.

All this helps explain why even though our bullpen ERA was second best, and our FIP fourth best, our xFIP, which takes quality of contact into account, came in at 27th, better than only the Rockies, the Diamondbacks, and the Reds.

So, the luck was always going to run out at some point. Maybe this is that point. Or maybe we’ll get lucky for another several weeks and continue to overachieve, which would make sense, because baseball.

[mtutiger]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

While it’s true the bullpen are performing much better this year than they have in many years, it’s also worth reiterating that the idea of the Tigers bullpen being among the best in baseball was really always a mirage.

Going into yesterday’s game, the HR/9 rate of 0.36 was so low because the HR/FB rate of 3.4% was also by far the lowest in baseball. HR/FB is widely considered a measure of luck rather than skill. This helped lower their BABIP to .235, second best in baseball, and also a luck measure.

The bullpen was in the bottom four of thirty teams in K/9, while being merely middle of the road in BB/9. They were also seventh best in stranding runners on base, also largely a luck metric. 

But most concerning should have been how hard the ball was coming off the bat with Tiger relievers on the mound. The barrel and hard hit rates yielded by us were fifth highest in the majors, and average exit velocity was seventh highest. Swinging strike rates were also middle of the pack, and called strike rates were along the lowest in the game.

All this means that Tiger relievers were missing more bats than most teams, allowing more balls in play, and opposing batters were seeing the ball better and hitting the ball harder than against most other teams, but the ball had been seeing its way into our gloves far more than normal, resulting in more outs and fewer runs given up, so, lucky us.

All this helps explain why even though our bullpen ERA was second best, and our FIP fourth best, our xFIP, which takes quality of contact into account, came in at 27th, better than only the Rockies, the Diamondbacks, and the Reds.

So, the luck was always going to run out at some point. Maybe this is that point. Or maybe we’ll get lucky for another several weeks and continue to overachieve, which would make sense, because baseball.

Only three guys in the pen with 9+ K/9 and less than 4+ BB/9?

Lange, Chafin and Vest.

One hopes at some point Fulmer can join this crowd, or maybe Joe if he can stop walking the leadoff man, but yeah, not great.