LaceyLou Posted July 28 Posted July 28 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm somewhat of two minds about how to run a newspaper in the US today. As much as every voice in advocacy and help 'the cause', I can see the virtue in trying to move a paper like WaPo away from being known for it's editorial page positions back to more of a straight news focus -because that is the only way to ever recover credibility as a news source in such a political charged environment. The thing is it is not at all clear if that is any part of what Bezos is trying to do or not. Frankly it seems at this point in his life he's no longer particularly serious about anything. While I obviously can't see into his head, it looks like he's addicted to acquiring things and making money. Even owning the universe wouldn't be enough. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 28 Posted July 28 Just now, LaceyLou said: While I obviously can't see into his head, it looks like he's addicted to acquiring things and making money. Even owning the universe wouldn't be enough. Probably correct. All self-directed stuff, so still 'unserious' with respect to having any outward impact, or in particular positive impact, beyond himself. When he bought WaPo, I think there was a hope it was evidence of a philanthropic bent, but maybe it was really just for the media strokes. Sadly, little evidence there are going to be many Andrew Carnegie types among today's generation of dot.com billionaires. Maybe Gates excepted. 2 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 28 Posted July 28 26 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm somewhat of two minds about how to run a newspaper in the US today. As much as every voice in advocacy and help 'the cause', I can see the virtue in trying to move a paper like WaPo away from being known for it's editorial page positions back to more of a straight news focus -because that is the only way to ever recover credibility as a news source in such a political charged environment. The thing is it is not at all clear if that is any part of what Bezos is trying to do or not. Frankly it seems at this point in his life he's no longer particularly serious about anything. the problem with "straight news" is that both the NYT and the Post are "both siding" fascism some people think it is good, let's hear from them some people think it is bad, let's hear from them they are constantly normalizing abnormal behavior, and that robs readers of the "straight news" story WH correspondents were despondent through the Biden administration because he did not give them the attention, the access, and the stories they needed to show everyone how important they were Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 28 Posted July 28 (edited) Even as recently as the 70’s most major markets had at least 2 newspapers. The biggest difference was their political spin. Now sadly we’re lucky if one survives. Personally, with “instant analysis” newspapers are rapidly losing out to whatever passes for online news. And you can forget about to a certain extent locality. True reporters are giving way to “influencers”. That makes it easy for someone like Trump or Musk to survive since it’s all about the clicks. The same for broadcast beasts as well. There is no real money in it anymore. Unless you’re willing to sell your soul Edited July 28 by CMRivdogs Quote
Edman85 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 (edited) 20 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: I'm somewhat of two minds about how to run a newspaper in the US today. As much as every voice in advocacy and help 'the cause', I can see the virtue in trying to move a paper like WaPo away from being known for it's editorial page positions back to more of a straight news focus -because that is the only way to ever recover credibility as a news source in such a political charged environment. The thing is it is not at all clear if that is any part of what Bezos is trying to do or not. Frankly it seems at this point in his life he's no longer particularly serious about anything. Editorials that are well researched and well cited can be just as insightful as news stories, if not more. Having said that, if you go to an opinions page and see a lot of redundancy, it makes some sense to reorganize in a lot of ways. Edited July 29 by Edman85 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 29 Posted July 29 (edited) 16 minutes ago, romad1 said: This is ****ed The network formerly known as Tiffany is now the Walmart Network May the ghosts of Murrow, Cronkite and all constantly keep the new brass awake Edited July 29 by CMRivdogs Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 29 Posted July 29 if true, and Trump has been lying about all sorts of settlements, that's the end of 60 Minutes. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Edman85 said: Editorials that are well researched and well cited can be just as insightful as news stories, if not more. Having said that, if you go to an opinions page and see a lot of redundancy, it makes some sense to reorganize in a lot of ways. this is certainly true, but there is still a line of sorts between analysis and cheerleading and once you get to cheerleading, you lose journalistic credibility - for instance on the cable side, Fox and MSNBC are both over that line even if there is a difference of degree. I think in general liberals *want* WaPo and NYC to cross that line an *be* cheerleaders, I don't think that is a good idea in the long run,, but I'm probably pretty much the old man yelling at clouds on this. Edited July 29 by gehringer_2 Quote
romad1 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Tigerbomb13 said: Gotta love that party of big government We are just a few steps from neighborhood watch being empowered to denounce Trumpcrime* to the Golden Police. *Trumpcrime is denying that Trump is the rightful Dear Leader. Quote
LaceyLou Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Without warning, I'm remembering the Simpsons episode where they're under the influence of a cult, and the answer to everything in class is The Leader. Quote
chasfh Posted July 29 Posted July 29 1 hour ago, romad1 said: We are just a few steps from neighborhood watch being empowered to denounce Trumpcrime* to the Golden Police. *Trumpcrime is denying that Trump is the rightful Dear Leader. It may or may not actually get to that point, but I do think it will get to the point where you have to watch what you say out loud in public around people you don’t know. Quote
romad1 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, chasfh said: It may or may not actually get to that point, but I do think it will get to the point where you have to watch what you say out loud in public around people you don’t know. in the federal government its like that now. Quote
Edman85 Posted July 29 Posted July 29 Wapo ran an op-ed from Scott Bessent hawking crypto today and moderated my comment that it was a scam. 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted July 30 Posted July 30 11 hours ago, CMRivdogs said: The network formerly known as Tiffany is now the Walmart Network May the ghosts of Murrow, Cronkite and all constantly keep the new brass awake As bad as the merger is, I wouldn't be surprised if the end result is seeing their ratings tank. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 30 Posted July 30 30 minutes ago, mtutiger said: As bad as the merger is, I wouldn't be surprised if the end result is seeing their ratings tank. It wouldn't surprise me at all. OTA TV is on life support anyway. My fear is that many small markets will lose all semblance of LOCAL news in the not too distant future. And when that happens.... Quote
Edman85 Posted July 30 Posted July 30 11 hours ago, mtutiger said: As bad as the merger is, I wouldn't be surprised if the end result is seeing their ratings tank. They have the NFL. They will be fine. That has fueled some pretty crappy prime time sitcom success for a quarter century now. 1 Quote
mtutiger Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Edman85 said: They have the NFL. They will be fine. That has fueled some pretty crappy prime time sitcom success for a quarter century now. The NFL package will hold up, but I have doubts about the other programming... particularly on the news side of the business. We shall see. Edited July 30 by mtutiger Quote
Edman85 Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: The NFL package will hold up, but I have doubts about the other programming... particularly on the news side of the business. We shall see. West coast PGA Championships in prime time because they aren't beholden to 60 minutes anymore? Sign me up! Quote
chasfh Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 hour ago, mtutiger said: The NFL package will hold up, but I have doubts about the other programming... particularly on the news side of the business. We shall see. It will all to go exclusive streaming sometime in the 2030s. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) Note to the new owners of the Barney Bargain Basement Network. Colbert is not NEWS, he's entertainment... Edited July 30 by CMRivdogs Quote
chasfh Posted July 30 Posted July 30 CBS is going to become the Newsweek.com of major news operations. 1 Quote
CMRivdogs Posted July 30 Posted July 30 24 minutes ago, chasfh said: CBS is going to become the Newsweek.com of major news operations. What does that make Faux and Snewsmax? Quote
chasfh Posted July 30 Posted July 30 12 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: What does that make Faux and Snewsmax? Neither are major news operations. Quote
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