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I don't know. It seems like the relief pitching market cascades into the late offseason. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But it seems like piecing together a respectable bullpen later is possible. The rest of the team, yeah, you're probably right.

I disagree with both statements. Bringing Lange back in the 9th is a better risk to take than putting Wingenter out there. Give some respect to the context, Toronto had Guerrero, Chapman, Varsho due up. Its not like Lange is a slam dunk to get through that. But the odds seem to be better to do so by using the better pitcher. Hinch hasn't been as awful as everything else this season. He failed with the bullpen last night. But he also doesn't have a reliable bullpen to work with at this point in time. He doesn't have a reliable lineup to work with at this point in time. And not to totally remove blame from the team, but I think we also have to remember the competition is simply better than the Tigers at this point. Be it on paper and/or how its actually played out. This Tiger team is not good and they've been playing playoff caliber teams (save for Boston) on the road.

I don't disagree with bringing Lange into the 8th as Springer and Bichette were due up 2nd & 3rd in the inning. Maybe the 8th should have been split between Foley and Lange to get through the 7th-9th. Or maybe Shreve gets included into that mix. Maybe there was a fear of pitching Foley, a ground ball pitcher to Kiermaier, a ground ball hitter with speed. But I think that or Lange for 2 innings (or including Shreve in there) is a better risk than Wingenter against the middle of the Toronto order.

Pretty well said.

I think its worth noting a few of these are drunk sailor spending contracts. Cabrera's 2nd and Fielder's were largely at IlitchM's behest. Not sure if MartinezV's 2nd contract was also IlitchM's doing or not. You're right about ROI via FA. Generally there isn't a good ROI there if you're looking at it in terms of salary. But a good team isn't built solely on FA. The next competitive Tiger team is probably going to have to have a base of good young controllable talent with which to add FA to. The Tigers simply haven't done that in years.

True so far. True specific to the game.

Maybe that's I am drooling.

Why did he stop running the organization after 2021?

Last year the arm barn had chicken breast and Miracle Whip and celery. This year its chicken crap and Elmer's glue and packing peanuts.

Disagree specifically with this game. I think Hinch has to have a pulse and go with Foley & Lang for more than a dozen pitches each to finish out the game. Not sure anyone else in the bullpen can be trusted at this point. Maybe Shreve. But, this team is in a 2-10 funk. Maybe you have to get out of the inning/reliever box in order to take a game. If it means neither are available for tomorrow, so what. Win this game tonight. Tomorrow might not call for closers anyway. But you're right on the larger point. They gambled that this group could be salvaged by Fetter and it just isn't working right now. I'm happy with the Jimenez & Soto trades, I think those were beneficial going forward. But as was mentioned elsewhere, there should have been some other moves made to backfill those roles (and Chafin's) from last season.

Wiley veteran.

Spoiler alert. They won't.

Nobody has mentioned Hunch was here in 2003 yet?

That's some good Avilametrics there.

The other aspect is Paredes' development itself. Would he be best served in Tampa or Detroit? Which organization has been better at developing young players? Which situation would have been more amenable to his development?

I'm not going to lie, I didn't complain about it. It seemed obvious that the Tigers had given up on Paredes, so yeah, you're right, if there's anything to complain about, its that the Tigers gave up on Paredes. Maybe they thought Candelario was going to be retained, I don't know.

Actually, the pieces acquired for the last rebuild are still cheap and/or on short term deals, with the exception of Rodriguez and Baez. Getting rid of the pieces should actually be easy, whether its trade or just releasing or not renewing a contract. Yeah, I know, this theory is a rainbow scratch & sniff sticker on a turd.

Thank goodness there's also trades and free agents to try to improve the team.

I wonder if Harris would make that same trade. MeadowsA was certainly the more known quantity and the production he had shown would have certainly been helpful. Paredes seemed to be more of the "control the strike zone" kind of hitter that Harris speaks of, at least if you take a generic look at SO% and BB%. Regardless, the deal was made, here we are, where can Harris take it from here?

Last season was probably the first where he struggled. That can be tough to process through the first time around. I would imagine between that, and lofty expectations, and his rookie status, a pair of hitting coaches that have since moved on, and a probably miserable clubhouse, yeah, that might have all contributed to a poor showing. And as has been mentioned, some of his numbers show a bit of bad luck in there, too.

You don't believe it? You've never laughed so hard that you started crying?

I'd like to see them make a run at it, but of course fall short.

You bring up Fulmer and he signed late for $4M. I'd much rather have that than Cisnero at anything. For the 1,000th time, the Cisnero retention just makes no sense to me. He's not effective. I forgot about the Torkelson double. He maybe should have also had another double earlier in the game along the 3B line , but Chapman was able to knock it down for a single. It was a sharp one hopper. He continues to hit the ball hard. He had that 10 pitch AB later in the game. I think he'll be fine this season. Keep stinging the ball off of the bat. If the power numbers aren't there quite yet, OK, fine. Get the contact down and work on the elevation. Someone (maybe you?) mentioned Greene's SO numbers. That worries me a bit.

Sure, its early. But check out these OPS+ numbers. Its just silly.

I wonder if they overestimated what Fetter can do with this group. Manning was the first SP to go 6. Sure, it's early on and guys aren't going to be throwing 8 or 9 innings. But the gas can nature of the current arm barn gets overexposed when tasked with innings that SPs can't throw. The offense..... I just don't know. They had Manoah on the ropes and manage only one 3 run home run, although Carpenter was robbed of a solo home run. But leaving a bases loaded and one out opportunity in the top of the 2nd was crushing. And that was it. The Tigers only got another runner as far as 2B with two out in the 3rd.