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PS: I would list their needs as (not in any order): a) 3-technique DT (they have run-stuffers at DT but no one as a pass-rusher from the inside which is why I am limiting it to a 3-DT...). I would also list a DE that can swing into the 3-tech spot on passing downs as a possibility... I don't think DE is a need but the right guy who can play all over the D-Line I think would be considered. Not two D-Lineman, but 1 who fits either definition... IMO. b) X-Receiver - I think any round could be a consideration... c) Backup QB, if they decide to draft one, or better if they wanna go after an AR or Levis... But unknown as to their actual priority here... Could end up with nothing from the draft here...? we'll see. d) Backup O-lineman... could be just about anything as I opined above... e) A CB to develop? For depth... I think so at the very least. A lot of good ones in this draft so... one would think. f) Depth Safety? Maybe...? g) RB - Swift's health is just too spotty to rely on. I think a backup RB is a must. Round could be anything from the 1st to the 6th so wide open IMO... h) LB'er - I'm looking for a coverage LB'er... the LB corps seems weak so one would think at least one gets drafted... i) TE? I don't really see a huge need here but everyone else seems to think it's a need so I'll just list it here... I have no idea what DC/ Holmes think...

I don't think it's RG-Only anymore as they have both Glasgow and Vatai. I think they'll still draft at least one O-Lineman but it will be someone who can play multiple positions... OG & C, or both LT & RT, or T&G. I mean, they are looking at Avila (likely 2nd round Guard) and I don't know what the other mid-round lineman can do that they've brought in... But let's say Vatai gets hurt and Glasgow takes over... need another Glasgow type if that happens. The guy I like in that vein is Joe Tippman, who can play all over the line, has started at Center and Guard... etc. Or, they draft Avila in the 2nd and if Vatai goes down they try out Avila first as a starter before resorting to Glasgow...? Just speculatin'...

Mock drafts? That's your source? How about Holmes/ Campbell's ACTIONS? How about Holmes STATEMENTS and past draft history? Don't you think that's a BETTER source than some mock drafters from the News & Free Press? I mean, seriously, that's IT? I don't need to write any letters to any editors... Anyone who RELIES on mock drafters is entirely laughable in its own right and doesn't even deserve a response... So that's it for me. This entire discussion is beyond laughable... to me.

PS: The Lions have had or will have SIX O-Lineman in for visits. NONE of them are 1st round rated. All are 2nd/ 3rd round guys. Wanna find me some smoke... somewhere, ANY where? That makes anyone think the Lions are considering a 1st round O-Lineman? I'm waiting....

"Skoronski is The Draft Network’s third ranked offensive tackle in this year’s class – behind Broderick Jones and Paris Johnson – and the 14th ranked prospect overall" THIRD rated Tackle. So... Yes... PLEASE let's draft him at #6. The THIRD rated tackle, #14 overall rated (by at least one "draft expert"; Draft Tek has him at #9 and the #2 OT behind Paris Johnson, PFF believes he'll end up at Guard, NFL scouts believe he'll end up at guard... etc.). He's #14 in my book as well. I can name 13 players who will be better than him in the NFL/ have a much higher impact than Sko. This is bordering on ridiculous... IMO. So PLEASE can we draft Skoronski at #6? NOT!!!

Ned's given up 4 goals but also has 32 saves and I watched him stone the Penguins multiple times in a recent power play, some point blank... Looks good enough to be the #2 again...?

Perron scores 3 goals in the 3rd to help put us back up 6-4 with two minutes remaining...

I'm not hell no on an offensive lineman... I'm hell no on the WRONG offensive lineman. Especially if there are many, many more, better, and more impactful, players... at any position. Replace Skoronski with Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace and now you have my attention... I'm with G2: I think Sko is closer to Raiola than (IMO) Pace or Ogden.

I think Sko ends up at Guard (just my 'pinion) so I absolutely believe that's an atrocious outcome for our #6 pick. I believe there are better Guards that can be selected in the late 1st through the 3rd; and better RT's can be selected in the same area. So, yes, atrocious. And better/ more impactful players (all OVER the place!!! Players I rank higher than Sko: Stroud, Gonzalez, Carter, Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Murphy, Bijan... that's SEVEN players and I can find more (Weatherspoon) so why would I even CONSIDER a guard at #6...? UGGGH!!!). I'd rather select a WR at #6. Or Anthony Richardson for upside... I would HATE the pick. As much if not moreso than the Ebron and Hockenson selections. And if Okudah can't figure it out... he ends up in that same boat. Rogers, Williams, Harrington, etc... we are wasting way too many high in the first round draft picks... When is this going to stop? Oh yeah... Holmes looks at draftees differently. I hope he has no interest whatsoever in Sko. He would be an atrocious pick. IMO. Just say NO to SKO!!!

Also not watching but the box score says a LOT of secondary players are scoring points and not really our primary players (Oesterle, Copp, Czarnik, Kubalik, Suter, Veleno, Lindstrom...). Seider has an assist. Berggren with a goal if you consider him a primary player...? Is Copp a primary at this point? He hasn't really shown as a high-scoring 2C this year...

PS: They can't get as low as 6th... at least at this point. They could beat the Flyers to the 7th spot... but the next two teams: Canadiens with 66 points (Wings currently at 71 pre-Penguins) but the Wings have 2 games in hand (72 vs. Montreal's 74) Coyotes with 67 points but Wings have 3 games in hand pre-Penguins (Arizona with 75 games played.) REALLY hard for the Wings to move up on those two teams. At this point in time. So really in the 7th to 12th spots as I mentioned above....

I didn't want to answer this when you posted this... Mostly because the Wings still had a game in hand on the Canucks & Blues... And if the Wings win tonight (beating the Penguins 3-0 as sloth pointed out)... We're back in the 10th spot again, or tied with the Blues for 9th/10, however anyone wants to look at it. (However... Canucks & Blues are playing each other tonight so that also complicates the short-term draft picture...) In the other thread, I pointed out that the Wings were sort of stuck in the 10th spot. But that was March 11th and a lot has changed the past 2+ weeks... Mostly, at that point in time we were closer to dropping a spot or two in the draft versus getting any higher. And the teams ahead of us in the draft (Blues & Canucks) were several points away from us so... That appears to no longer be true (in the 10-12th spot), as you have pointed out that we were holding onto #8 for at least a moment. We might be back in the 10th spot tonight, but the teams just behind us (or ahead of us for those still looking at the playoffs) - the Capitals and Senators - have put a small amount of distance between us and the 11th or 12th spot in the draft. It's only a couple points (counting games in hand) so things could swing again if the Wings win a few games... But since they haven't, and only 9 games left after tonight... I'll ignore the possible 11th or 12th spot for a moment and look at what's changed right in front of us in the draft. In short, the Canucks went 8-2 in their last 10, the Blues went 6-3-1 in their last 10, whilst the Wings went 3-7. That was helpful!!! So... we might still be in the 10th spot after tonight, but even with a win, we are VERY close to usurping those two teams in the draft IF they continue winning and the Wings continue their losing ways... I'm not stressing either way... To me it is what it is and I think it's useless to stress whether they win or lose games in the final 10 here... the team is going to do whatever it does in that sense. No sense in agonizing over it. But, just for full disclosure... I wanted to point out how they were faring in this particular race. They are within shouting distance of the Flyers as well, so: #7 to #12 draft spot is currently in range to end this season. To anyone who is interested...

He doesn't have to be a LT. Sewell is a natural LT so if the Lions were fine with Skoronski at RT and Sewell at LT (if the time comes to move on from Decker in a year or two...), they might still consider him. But I don't think he's on their radar at #6. IMO. I think Skoronski would be an atrocious pick/ atrocious use of our draft capital. No thank you.

BINGO!!! Put another way... it doesn't even MATTER who the Dem nominee is, Biden or otherwise... I'm voting straight Dem ticket 2024. Until the GQP Fascist Party is eliminated as a threat to our Democracy/ Constitution of the United States. Republican Party (as I used to know them) no longer exists or is a voting option for me. Bar none.

Wrong answer. I mentioned I believed it was a pro-Ukrainian group almost immediately after it occurred, and reiterated when intelligence came out that it indeed looked like it was a pro-Ukrainian group a month ago or so. It's called military strategy, as Romad expertly pointed out. It shuts Russia out of Europe, and forces Europe into other sources hands (US, African oil & gas, M.E., etc...). It cuts off a huge source of funding for Russia's war against Ukraine. Why would they NOT attack Nord 1 & 2? That would be called a militarily brilliant move. And you want to call it a 'so what' attitude? ABSOLUTELY so what!!! I APPLAUD Ukraine or whatever pro-Ukrainian group that did this because, again, it is brilliant military strategy. No... the real WTF here is apparently you do not understand any of this.

Looks like Williams and Maye are ranked in the top 3 next year at this early juncture... Ewers plus 3 others have early 2nd round ranks, with another 6 getting 3rd round ranks. Movement up and down all subject to results in the 2023 season...

It's not religion when you are committing treason against your country.

This probably belongs in the draft thread... but since we're comparing trade-for potential wr's with draftable wr's... here's one list of ranked wr's (nfl draft buzz) in descending order: # PLAYER POS WEIGHT HEIGHT 40YD 1 Quentin Johnston WR 208lbs 6' 3" 4.40 2 Jaxon Smith-Njigba WR 196lbs 6' 1" 4.48 3 Jordan Addison WR 173lbs 5' 11" 4.49 4 Jalin Hyatt WR 176lbs 6' 0" 4.40 5 Zay Flowers WR 182lbs 5' 9" 4.42 6 Josh Downs WR 171lbs 5' 9" 4.48 7 Nathaniel Dell WR 165lbs 5' 8" 4.49 8 Rashee Rice WR 204lbs 6' 1" 4.51 9 Cedric Tillman WR 213lbs 6' 3" 4.54 10 Marvin Mims Jr. WR 183lbs 5' 11" 4.38 11 A.T. Perry WR 198lbs 6' 4" 4.47 12 Xavier Hutchinson WR 203lbs 6' 2" 4.53 13 Tyler Scott WR 177lbs 5' 10" 4.44 14 Kayshon Boutte WR 195lbs 5' 11" 4.50 15 Andrei Iosivas WR 205lbs 6' 3" 4.43 16 Michael Wilson WR 213lbs 6' 2" 4.58 17 Rakim Jarrett WR 192lbs 6' 0" 4.44 18 Jayden Reed WR 187lbs 5' 11" 4.45 19 Jonathan Mingo WR 220lbs 6' 2" 4.46 20 Parker Washington WR 204lbs 5' 10" 4.49 21 Dontayvion Wicks WR 206lbs 6' 1" 4.62 22 Trey Palmer WR 192lbs 6' 0" 4.33 23 Jalen Moreno-Cropp WR 172lbs 5' 11" 4.40 24 Dontay Demus Jr. WR 212lbs 6' 3" 4.57 25 Charlie Jones WR 175lbs 5' 11" 4.43 26 Ronnie Bell WR 191lbs 6' 0" 4.54 27 Elijah Higgins WR 235lbs 6' 3" 4.54 28 Bryce Ford-Wheaton WR 221lbs 6' 4" 4.38 29 Puka Nacua WR 201lbs 6' 2" 4.45 30 Keytaon Thompson WR 213lbs 6' 5" 4.70 31 Jadon Haselwood WR 215lbs 6' 2" 4.66 32 Jake Bobo WR 206lbs 6' 4" 4.68 33 Jalen Wayne WR 210lbs 6' 2" 4.51 34 Mitchell Tinsley WR 199lbs 6' 0" 4.60 35 Demario Douglas WR 179lbs 5' 8" 4.44 36 Derius Davis WR 165lbs 5' 8" 4.36 Potential X-receivers (these are just guesses on rounds): 1st round: Quentin Johnston, Smith-Njigba? 2nd/3rd round: Cedric Tillman, Rashee Rice, AT Perry, Xavier Hutchinson 4th/5th round: Andrei Iosivas, Jonathon Mingo, Trey Palmer 5th/6th/7th: Bryce Ford-Wheaton, Puka Nacua, Jalen Wayne

Both Korean manufacturers. Maybe Koreans don't steal cars?

Common sense is also dead, replaced by Q.

The dead ones and all the ones that are retreating under the Ukrainians hail of non-existent ammunition.

This is where I'm at. I think they can find a good x-receiver in the 3rd, or possibly even in the 5th or 6th... I'm not interested in other wr options aside from a mid-to-late rounder... certainly not in the trade offer wr's as I think their salaries are exorbitant and stupid (from a team's cap perspective). If I use cap on absorbing a guy in trade, I am ONLY interested in Simmons... from what I've seen as potentially available to this point. That's it. If not Simmons, than just hold onto the space for now. I don't believe in making stupid moves just to say we used all our cap space possible,

Also: Do NOT want to trade for one of those WR's. For me it's Simmons or just hold onto the cap space for later. It doesn't need to burn a hole through everyone's pockets... it CAN be used at a later date...

I would absolutely be on board with this trade. But I would hope that Gonzalez falls to 11 and select him there. And then draft Bijan at 18. 2nd & 3rd rounders can be used for: WR, QB, LB, OL. Pick 3 of 4 and drop one of them to the 5th round...

I am perfectly fine with someone who has similar skills as a Johnston, but is a lower round guy without the fanfare. And at WR there are a boatload of WR's with similar groupings of skills that, if you wanted to go to the ladder example and state that each WR is also a rung below the other ones, from Quentin Johnston on down, I wouldn't disagree. But I believe the rungs at WR are much, much closer together and are small steps down rung to rung where at CB they are much larger steps down rung to rung. I rank CB as a more skilled/ valuable commodity in this draft. And don't want to go down too many rungs. Whereas I rank WR as a much easier get/ and a much lesser valuable commodity than CB. Shorter version: I don't want to spend a 1st round draft pick on a WR. I do want to spend one on a CB.