1984Echoes

I think Noel gets moved. I am 99% certain. The question is: does 1 of Bey/ Burks/ Bojan get moved? I don't think it will be more than one. But will it even be one? I think yes... but only 50% certain on this...

Oh... Is he?

Guys (positions) I'd like to get in the top 2 or 3 rounds: Pass-Rushing DT (3-technique like Carter, or a DE who could swing inside on passing downs, like Murphy or Wilson or Andre Carter II). OG (either for depth behind Vaitai or as a replacement starter...) Starting quality CB Coverage or sideline-to-sideline LB'er. Eventual starter quality if not immediate. Primary backup RB. I don't care if it's Bijan, Jahmyr, or a Charbonnet/ Tank Bigsly type... I'll let Holmes sort that out.... I just want one more high end guy for our RB stable. Safety. Could become eventual starter or primary backup... but I'd like another high end talent in that room for depth. A QB if Holmes decides he likes a guy and we spend a pick on one. If he doesn't, I'll just move on. If he expends a pick on a QB in the 1st 3 rounds... I'll get on the bandwagon. We (Holmes) will be easily able to utilize extra high round picks if the Panthers do indeed panic and trade up into our spot... IMO.

I want the Panthers to panic for a QB and give us a boatload of picks to drop from #6 to #9.

NOW!!!

But that apparently is just me. Don't care.

Nope. I'm thinking Hendon Hooker falls to the 2nd or 3rd round. I'm thinking Hendon Hooker will turn into a Jalen Hurts. If Holmes selects him... I'm on board. If we miss out or choose different players, I move on.

I thought her cleverness reigned supreme...!

And everyone was on board with it too! Except one person... I loved how Anya Taylor-Joy (as the Escort who didn't belong there) thought her way through the situation...

Huh? What? I would have no issue whatsoever if we drafted Jalen Hurts, Jimmy Garoppolo, Derek Carr, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Geno Smith (even as he ends up a backup), and maybe even Henne (who would definitely end up as a backup). Geno probably could have turned into a much better, earlier better, starting QB if he hadn't gone to the Jets, who F'd him big-time. And as for team building... I trust in Holmes.

I had a fever dream that 3 defenders and 2 QB's went in the top 5... And Carolina, desperate, traded their 1st, two 2nds, and 3rd rounder in 2023 to move up from #10 to #6 so they could select Will Levis. I woke up in a sweat...

Ned's playing better down in GR with a .921 Save %-age. Vrana scored 2 goals tonight. Zadina scored 1. Soderblom with an assist and a SO winning score. Johansson and Edvinsson with an assist each.

I think someone is going to take a shot in the 2nd or 3rd round with him. I certainly don't believe he falls all the way to the 5th. I'm not certain about CB's... there will be a heavy run on them in the 1st and early 2nd. Safeties, LB'ers and RB's... yes. But I'm tossing in Hooker as, I think he is the one guy who can develop into a more than competent backup, and possibly even into a Jalen Hurts type. I don't care that he's 25, and I don't care that he basically will take a redshirt year next year. Fine, he can learn behind Goff and whatever veteran we sign to be #2 behind Goff in 2023. He takes over as backup by the end of next season, or if not, in 2024. If he pushes Goff out of a job (2024/2025?) more power to him, and if he doesn't, well, we'll cross that bridge when we get there... But I'm not opposed to drafting him. And if Holmes agrees... then I'm not going to squawk and... I'll hope for the best.

Who was discussing Hendon Hooker earlier? I'm warming to him with one of our 2nd round picks...

If Anderson & Carter go in the top 5, as they should based on talent alone... Then the choice is between Murphy, Wilson, Christian Gonzalez (if he's the best CB), or Bijan Robinson (again, based on talent alone). So... how do we rank those 4? And to answer your question: I think yes on the 3 QB's. But that still doesn't change the fact that Carter & Anderson are top 5 guys, and the others are the "best of the rest". If only two QB's are taken in the top 5, then there is still the choice of whoever falls to us. But at least at this point, I highly doubt either of those two slip out of the top 5. On the other hand...: If it's Carter, I'm with buddha and thinking Campbell/ Holmes and Co. will have taken him off the Lions Board if he doesn't love the game enough and won't even consider him... although maybe that means a trade down opportunity. If it's Anderson... well, I have EXTREME difficulty in believing that he'll be the guy who falls, even if 3 QB's are in the top 5. But if it is him, well... no-brainer.

Which is what people have been saying for over 30 years... Make it legal... And collect the damn taxes on it...

Right... But you can't expect everything to come up perfect roses. So, if they draft a top-3 round guard that they expect to start: A) They still might not drop Vaitai, at least right away... because you never know if a new guy (especially a rookie) will catch on right away, and injuries also happen... B) Once the rookie, and ONLY once the rookie looks likely to take over a starting spot, would you then "move on" from the existing guy... but then the team would still need backup coverage for that move. So, let's say Kraemer is coming on and they believe he would be a more than adequate backup... AND a rookie is pushing to be a starter, would you make that move. That could be training camp, or early in the season, or after an injury... But I don't think that happens before training camp even starts. If it does happen before then... I'm guessing it would be an injury settlement which is not the same as an outright release. There would be a reason/ circumstances for an injury settlement. Aside from injury, I don't believe they'll release Vaitai until after the 2023 season. But that's just my guess.

If he's healthy, I believe he's back (no pun intended...). Even if you draft a top 3-round guard... you keep Vaitai until he gets pushed out of his starting position by health or the new guy...

That sounds about correct.

Brockers and Okwara. Not Vaitai and Okwara. Vaitai is quite a bit more complicated. I put him in the restructure camp with Goff & Ragnow... at least until I see differently coming directly from the Lions. Just my opinion.

Eloquently stated. And that's what we're all hoping for...

+1

That was the conclusion I belatedly came to early last summer... Even if I like some of these guys in the minors, like Tenacious... Bottom line: too little, too late, amongst other shortcomings.

Here's what I would find hilarious...: Harris's new development team... develops... Christian Santana, Roberto Campos, Jobe, Jung, Madden and several others into serious up-and-coming prospects... Is it: (A) Avila was crappy at drafting (it would appear not if these guys turn into a bunch of top 100 prospects or, even better, into real MLB players...)? (B) Crappy in the international market... (but Campos, Santana, any Avila-etc, that fits in here...)? (C) Terrible at development (it would appear so, although several of these guys are pretty young so how to tell what was natural ability/ growth versus the influence of Harris development versus Avila development...)? (D) Avila just not "on the ball enough" (or over his head to put it another way) to see this whole thing through? I will laugh if Harris builds a team loaded with Avila current and future Major Leaguers that he develops into an actual contending team. I'm ready and waiting for some serious LOL's coming up soon... But right now... I'm just confused.

Their options look like they would be: Garoppolo Brady Carr Rodgers Draft pick ... how would those rank?