1984Echoes

You know I've already "retired" Cabrera right? Mentally and emotionally (if only I had the power to do that managerially...). And I believe the assessment is that Haase isn't the greatest defensive catcher...? Last point: Sanchez could very well possibly still be the 3rd catcher... but still at Toledo in 2023?

I'd rather the $7 mill for 1 year than anything on a multi-year. Personal preference.

Aah, yeah, right. But it still might be minorly valuable to add that glove to his resume. Aside from they sort of got to...

I bring him back just to be able to cover 3B for 1 year. That's it. The same thing we did in trading for Barnhart. Just as a stopgap to cover a spot for a year. If he does well, trade him at the deadline. That's it. There's no signing him to another contract... as we've seen, not enough consistency and there's been a definite drop this year, on both sides of the ball. That's it. For Jeimer.

Chance Kirby's day to shine: 6 shutout inn's with 2 hits 1 BB 6 K's and... Whoops! He pitched the 7th too and just gave up 3 runs including a HR... Another late rounder (25th round in 2018) with a nice minor league career (340 inn's and 1.10 WHIP, 2.52 ERA this year in AA with a 0.98 WHIP...), but he's 27 already and I don't believe he's on the Beau Brieske/ Garrett Hill arc... but I just wanted to give a shout out to him... Brendan White followed him... (ANOTHER Al Avila late rounder, 26th round in 2019), he's only 23 years old with a career (in the minors) 191 innings and 1.23 WHIP. K's about 9 per 9, this year at AA 2.75 ERA and 0.97 WHIP and 9.8 K's/9: uncertain if he follows the Garrett Hill path to MLB, maybe as a middle reliever? Just adding him to the stockpile... Giving him a shout out too. Chances are... Parker so far today with another double, 2 for 4 and also his 15the steal of the year. 2 more innings to go for Erie to close this out... Toledo: Wentz had a short outing with 3 inn's 5 hits, 1 BB, 1 ER, and 3 K's... pitch count? They have 11 hits and 5 BB's today but there's no one there that I'm currently excited about... Maybe Ali Sanchez as a backup catcher? .732 OPS this year in AAA before today's 3 for 4 (all singles). He's playing 1st Base so they're trying to expand his positions for a utility role in 2023? I could do that. Rogers at Catcher and Haase backing up + OF/ RH'd DH and Sanchez as backup catcher and 1B and...? I think he's the better defensive catcher so he's our #1 backup catcher next year? Just a WAG...

If he wants to graduate to a higher echelon he'll have to stop that...

I'm just guessing that this is a AAAA reward...

Oh don't put money on that... you'll lose. Seriously, you're betting that Avila's group of prospects are all going to fail?

Too early to say...

The critical issue with Jobe is to develop his pitches... I think the results will kick up soon enough. I'd like to see him in Erie next year...

Speakinz of the devilz: Flores in 5 innings at Erie 1 hit 2 BB's and 7 K's. Also, Parker hit 2 doubles in a 2 for 4.

Exactly correct (and I stated that too, in the next paragraph...).

If you look at Flores scouting grades though you can see where Micro is exactly correct. He's a two-pitch pitcher with a really nice curveball and fastball. But everything else is a below-average pitch. He'll need to develop a changeup or something else as a 3rd pitch to keep hitters honest/ survive in MLB as a starter. And as Micro said, his command and control are not good enough yet. So that's back-end starter or pushed into the BP. Which doesn't change anything on Bowden seeing him as a possible top 50 guy... it falls right back on development: both on the individual to develop these skills and on the Org being able to facilitate that development...

Absolutely. I don't see anyone who has stated "oh wow, these guys are our next Aces...' Again, and to reiterate mtutiger: perfectly fine. A rotation has to be filled out and I don't expect 5 Aces (my definition is just a guy who fits into a top 3 spot on a pennant contending team...) to be in our rotation. As how I see it, we have a crapload of back-end rotation guys who will end up as (A) 4th and 5th starters for the Tigers, or... (B) pushed into the bullpen as middle/ long relievers/ spot starters or... (C) Stall out in AAA as 6th/ 7th/ 8th starters. I really hope Manning/ Skubal/ Mize/ Jobe/ Turnbull can find their way into those top 3 spots in a future Tigers rotation. Maybe Eduardo is already a top 3 guy. At least a couple of those guys I think we all hope make it to the top of the rotation. And I don't expect all 5 of those guys to make it. But... in order to finish out the rotation, if one of those guys gets traded/ FA/ injured/ can't cut it... we turn to the Wentz/ Brieske/ Madden/ Olson/ Flores/ Hill types and hope that at least a couple of those guys can hang in MLB and pitch well enough to hold onto those 4th and 5th starter spots. Or be available at AAA to pop up during the season a few times for a few starts... as needed. But I'm just thinking out loud here... About our future that is.

We'll see if that's how it all works out... Yet to be determined and at least 2-3 years to have any real sense out of all these kids whether they will make it or flop out....

Can we add his head, on a spike, in front of the US Capitol instead? Personal preference.

Dylan Smith also pitched well for WM in 4 innings with 4 hits, 1 BB, 1 ER and 6 K's...

I love the life on his pitches...!!! They all seem to have just a little bit of "wiggle" to them that makes the batters miss...

Also... Meadows and Workman each got a triple with both going 1 for 4... Workman with the obligatory 2 K's though...

You're not the only supportive one if you peruse all of my posts on the matter...

Nice game by Madden! I keep forgetting to put him in my 2023 Rotation consideration but, really... he needs to be included. Might not make it out of Spring Training (most likely won't) but he still has to be in consideration.

Right... But in 2016 there were a lot of unknowns for the uninitiated on exactly who or what Trump was. And for those who were under financial duress in 2016, whether due to competition for high paying jobs or the evaporation of high paying jobs (manufacturing or other) or the lack of education/ ability to obtain a reasonable job that a family could be raised on... for this group of people I would give the most cause to turn to someone like Trump who, although he's been a con-artist his entire life.. the message of "Trust me, I can fix everything/ I can bring back your manufacturing jobs" well... that sounds pretty good. But it seems you're making a statement that 2022 and beyond are no different whatsoever from 2016... and I don't think that's true. I mean obviously, enough has come to light that a "reasonable" person, even if they re not politically initiated, can still see the shit storm that is surrounding Trump. Unless someone is hiding inside the Fox News cocoon... but I don't think that is reasonable person. Someone looking to be angry, at someone, and willing to be demagogic, or to lash out, is neither uninitiated nor reasonable. The center right, center left, Independents, etc... Will not be demagogic to that degree. So I think the extremism of MAGA SHOULD be called out for the following three reasons: 1) To the uninitiated, as you have pointed out, they are busy with their jobs and family and life, etc... so they are just going to ignore this, right? It's background noise. If Trump holding Top Secret documents illegally, whatever issues are at the southern border, Biden cheering a couple of great plans for the American people on the one hand and being angry at MAGA on the other hand... all falls to the wayside because they have more important things on their mind. This is all immaterial, right? Why would you pick out this one issue and raise it above all others? If they are busy with life, there's only ONE issue that will dominate all others: money. Do they have a job, is the economy strong, is inflation killing them? It's all about the money to support one's family. To me, "MAGA is BAD" is a non-issue with these folks. People vote their pocket book. 2) To the center right and Independents... This is pretty black and white IMO. There's no gray here. MAGA is willing to resort to violence and fascism. If someone uses this as an excuse to run back to Trump, they were never center right or Independent to begin with. There are no excuses any more, Trump and his followers have exposed themselves as who they actually are. I think this EXACT MESSAGE needs to be shouted out loud, by Biden, the FBI, etc., etc., etc. "We see you, we see you for your lies, for your violence, your hatreds and bigotry, and we will respond accordingly". If someone is center right.. you are saying that THIS message (including Angry Biden) will make them run back to Trump? Ummm... I don't think so. 3) That exact message, and not just message but actions; domestic terrorist cells need to be investigated (Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Oath Keepers, etc.), and charges brought to trial for their actions... and publicly. If they are not publicly called out, and that includes the political movement and the politicians who are supporting this fascism as well as the terrorist militias all across America... then they think that no one is watching them and they can get away with murder or the kidnapping and execution of a Governor (Whitmer) or the overthrow of our Democracy. I believe this MUST be called out, out loud... and maybe the opposite will happen... not center right running back to Trump... but some people who may not be 100% invested in violent fascism, even if they support MAGA, might realize that things have gone too far... But we'll see. We'll see how people react... pretty soon in fact with midterms coming up.

For those who want to overthrow the Constitution of the United States through lies, deceit, and violence... Yeah... Fuck off.

I think it's more like contemptible MF'ing fascist Anti-American (democratically and Constitutionally) scumbags. But that's just me...

Inflation is already coming down sharply. 25 basis points their Sept. meeting. Maybe even 0, but I wouldn't want to bet on that one... I'll stick with the 25 and a slew of upcoming news that inflation is coming down fast.