1984Echoes

Still no outs and bases loaded... Tork batting. 3-0 Tigers at the moment...

HBP with bases loaded = run scored.

PS: I hope I didn't just jinx him...

An underrated pitcher. Career 1.15 WHIP. Pretty good. 1.17 WHIP last year. Pretty good. Gets his ass kicked every single April... as we've already seen. And then does really well for the rest of the season. This year, he already has game logs of: 6 inn's 1 ER, 6 inn's 1 ER, and 5 Inn's 0ER. Hmmm... and it appears he's not doing so badly today: 4 innings so far, 0 ER's.

I would actually be interested to know whether Ryan Vilade or Colt Keith can play 1st. Tork can go reset his bat in Toledo, along with Meadows... As long as 1 of Keith or Vilade can play 1st and the other can stay at 2B. Vilade is only 25... I'm interested in seeing what he could do with an extended run in MLB.

AVILA GEM COLT KEITH HITS FIRST MLB HOME RUN. WITH MANY MORE TO COME!!!

I'd be interested in seeing what would happen if Manning were able to go all out... for 1 inning per game (for the games he is put in...).

I have more confidence in Maeda than Manning. Manning's pretty close to my wanting to demote him to the bullpen.

WTF took you so long AJ? The only change I'd make would be to drop Tork to the 9th spot.

You seem pretty upset that I support a lot of our Tigers prospects or am interested in following them. Please put me on ignore and I'll do the same.

Wasn't it more than Kerry? Hasn't it also been Parker Meadows and Gage Workman who went outside the Org to get their swings/ stance fixed? I think it was even Carpenter's guy they went to...? With, ummm, mixed results I believe.

A-Hah! Now we're talking about Trump's Tax Cuts. Created annual $1 TRILLION deficits. Not billion. TRILLION. Did nothing or close to nothing for the middle class. The top 1% in this country? LINED their ****ing POCKETS with those tax cuts. Middle Class MAGA clamoring for more of the same? Too ****ing stupid to realize that REAL Republicans (those in the top 1% and trying to protect their top 1% from the proletariat rabble) are going to **** them in the ass again. Republicans: Cancel Biden's Infrastructure = **** the middle class (construction jobs/ engineers/ etc..) in the ass. Republicans: MESS with Social Security and Medicare = middle class gets ****ed in the ass again. Republicans: Make permanent the "middle class" tax cuts that are due to expire = these don't do **** for the middle class but they sure do help the top 1% line their pockets = middle class gets ****ed in the ass again. Republicans: The DEFICIT and the national debt is a PROBLEM so... They will find a way to TAX the MIDDLE CLASS. Middle class? ****ed again. Guaranteed. I'm sorry... but to me... the abject STUPIDITY LEVEL of MAGA is so ****ing far off the charts I just cannot ****ing believe that this is where we are.

100% And not just the pent up demand. The supply chains were not ready to go from 15% to 115% capacity when the pent up demand unleashed. That caused lots of logistical/ labor cost/ inflationary problems too. Not to mention, roughly 6 mill pre-Covid workers decided to retire post-Covid. Talk about putting pressure on labor costs. Good for workers' wages. Until the expected inflationary reaction to that, ate away at those wage gains... The short answer is: 100%

That works GREAT for fantasy if you can get him on the cheap.

Again, that was YOUR word, NOT mine. So yes... I used YOUR word to throw back a challenge. So forget YOUR word, genius. My word has ALWAYS and ONLY been CREDIT. Does Avila get credit for ANYTHING in your mind? Or NOTHING?

He started things. That needed starting. Full stop. He drafted quite a few MLB-quality prospects, and made some minor trades for same, and signed a couple internationals, same. Full stop. He hired Ryan Garko and AJ Hinch. Full stop. I don't see how you can give him a ZERO and not stoop to the barest of bottoms to say yeah, OK, he did that. That does NOT NEGATE the rest of your post.

Fine. Your refusal to answer any question I ask and your demand that I must answer your questions to your specific satisfaction says to me that you prefer to just blow me off. I've answered every single question you've ever asked of me. Maybe I didn't give you the answer you wanted... but I answered. I'm never answering another question you pose. Sorry.

I NEVER said Avila was a genius. That is YOUR word, not mine. Awesome mischaracterization.

Also... I have NOT stated he did a good job. In fact, I made a list of problems I had with him and stated these were why he should be fired. I think chas even helped out with a few. But I AM saying he should get credit where credit is due, instead of being **** on by people in here all the time. In fact... I think I accused chas of calling it an Avila "stench", but buddha, I think it was actually you who said the "stink of Avila"... correct me if I'm wrong. He gets credit for starting up analytics for the Tigers. Both the data system and the hiring of analytical minds. But he gets FAULT for being too slow, for being in over his head, for not knowing how to apply the analytics, and for slow-bringing in new hires that would fix this problem. He gets credit for finding talent internationally, or in the draft, even if he was not the guy who pulled the trigger. And for hiring the right guys that found or recommended or signed these players. He gets FAULT, again, for not hiring the right guys for multiple years in which most of the improvements in player acquisition were in the last couple years of his regime. Again, too late, too slow. He gets FAULT for NOT scouring the waiver wires trying to improve the bottom of the roster. Laziness? He gets FAULT for falling in love with his own players and not moving on after they've proved themselves inadequate. He gets FAULT for the crappy product on the field for the entirety of his regime. He gets fault for, simply put, just being NOT GOOD ENOUGH. He gets credit for smaller deals in which he brought in guys who at least have a chance to contribute, including Olson, Wentz, Candelario & Paredes. He gets FAULT for MUCKING up the bigger trades. He gets FAULT for (IMO) being GUN-SHY about any further big trades because he mucked up the first ones so badly. There's probably more but... I'm running out of gas and most of the additional listing would all be faults. As you can see... there's not a whole lot of credit in there. But our next contender, once Harris fixes everything Avila mucked up... will be about HALF Avila guys. On a WAG... Will Avila get credit for that. Or will people just continue to **** all over him and just deny the obvious. Asking for a friend.

I did NOT say they would return us to 1984 glory. I said we had a crapload of prospects coming up that reminded me of the 1970's. I made no promises to what these guys would do in MLB. They are obviously different guys. But they are NOT named Trammell, Whitaker, Parrish, Gibson, Morris, Petry, etc... Their names are, obviously, different. And everything I said was absolutely correct. Homegrown on the Tigers: Greene, Tork, Carpenter, Mize, Manning, Skubal, Perez, Keith, Brieske, Foley, Lange, Promising, obtained in trade (at the time I was stating this farm looked like the 70's to me): Olson Banging on MLB's door (or at least somewhat close): Dingler, Jung, Jobe, Campos, Madden, possibly a few others but more sketchy. And to finish this off: Avila was NOT GOOD ENOUGH. I came around to that a year-ish before he was fired. Call me late. And so now it's on Harris to turn this group of guys into a playoff-competitive team. I have ALSO said EXACTLY THAT. I didn't PROMISE playoffs, or guarantee them; I said work would still need to be done to whip these guys into a playoff type team. And there would be guys who didn't make the cut, or would be traded to find they right guy because they weren't. Just to state the whole picture. Laid out correctly.

I've already answered this. Why won't you answer my question on the other prospects? I've asked you several times and you are avoiding the question. Are you unwilling to answer Colt Keith 5th, Kerry Carpenter 19th, Beau Brieske 27th? Or you just don't have the courage? You're dodging. I'm calling you out for dodging. Why are you dodging my questions? You're losing credibility with me by continuously prevaricating.

I already said why. He's coming back from Tommy John, had only a few starts between that and the draft, and was selected in the 9th round. Your turn.

And this I agree with. 100%

PS: And you're avoiding the question. Or unwilling to answer. Colt Keith, 5th round? Kerry Carpenter, 19th round? Beau Brieske, 27th round? Reese Olson, for Daniel Norris?

I'll go find where you specifically stated "the stench of Avila"... It was in at least one of the game threads. But aside from that; and speaking to player obtainment specifically... you seem unwilling to give any credit whatsoever for player procurement. Why? Or, again, what exactly does it take to impress you enough to give someone credit?