MichiganCardinal

I think the "value" argument has a couple meanings that are worth fleshing out. 1. There is the "don't pick X at #12 because he might have been there at #18. I don't find this particularly useful. Everyone's board is different for one, but also if he's your top player, don't risk it. I think risking it is more often trying to be the smartest person in the room than simply taking the best player available on your board. If the mainstream pundits had a 3rd round grade on a prospect and you take him at #12, that's one thing. But I don't think taking X at #12 when he maybe would be there at your next pick is bad in this situation. 2. The "positional value" argument of not taking certain positions high I think this has some amount of merit, but that it goes beyond just "don't take a RB or TE or off-ball LB in the 1st round" and is overused. Mazi Smith and Calijah Kancey are two guys who came off the board yesterday at non-"luxury" positions who are likely not every-down players. I think when you are a rebuilding team, taking a player at a more luxurious position does not really help you rebuild. But, I also think that teams whose 22 starters are all top-ten at their position are those that are Super Bowl contenders. At some point, you need to have great players fill those roles too. 3. The quality of player X at position A vs. the quality of players Y and Z at position A that almost certainly be there at #34 and beyond. This is what I really think of when I think of value. If I pass on corner A at #12, what kind of corners am I looking at in the 2nd round, and what is the drop-off between A and X, Y, and/or Z? It's also where I think the value argument doesn't work to take away from Gibbs and Campbell, at least based on their evaluations. I think the drop off between Gibbs and Charbonnet is so significant as to not even make it worth taking the latter, and that they see the drop off between Campbell and the other LBs as just as much. I also think this argument is why I would have been opposed to taking Gonzalez at #12 (or Witherspoon at #6 if he had been there). I don't think the drop off between Witherspoon and Quan Martin, or Gonzalez and Porter or Branch is that significant. In overly simplistic Madden terms, I would rather take a 96 RB in the 1st and an 88 CB in the 2nd than take a 96 CB in the 1st and only have RBs in the 70s available in the 2nd, with that 88 CB available, and have to now pass on addressing the RB position, or reach for a lesser player.

I didn’t know Gibbs returned kicks. I wonder if he will take that over from Raymond.

Instant Reactions (will likely have better takes when the draft is over) The Trade: C- Gibbs: B+ Campbell: B+

The Bijan v. Jahmyr comp will be an interesting one to make one, three, and five years from now. Gibbs has a great head start, being on a really good team and running behind a top five offensive line. Bijan meanwhile got the Saquon treatment of being drafted by a team that is rebuilding. Time will tell.

Admittedly, I haven’t seen that yet.

I think Holmes is generally a master of the draft, but I think he got caught off guard when Witherspoon went at #5. Not to say he panicked and traded, just to say that I think if he could do it all over again, he might take Bijan at #6 and Campbell at #18 and be okay with not having #34. We will see though. Either of Porter or Branch could be a massive steal.

I don’t think either Gibbs or Campbell are the reaches some media makes them out to be. I think they were both top-ten targets on Holmes’ board. I do question a mediocre trade to pick Gibbs when you had Bijan there for the taking. Gibbs v. Robinson will be compared for the next five years and I really hope that doesn’t become a regret. I think Porter is painfully obvious at #34, and he could be an absolute steal. Branch if he’s not there. Either way you should have a day one starter in the secondary.

I don’t think the pick was a reach. Gibbs was a top ten talent in this draft. But in the context of the trade, I don’t really get it.

Swift should be gone by the end of the night.

WOW. I don’t hate the pick. But why not Bijan??

I wouldn’t hate this

I would have preferred them taking a UDFA prospect. But Wright wasn’t on the Lions board so I’m not sweating it really.

Meh. It’s the obvious pick. He’s no Penei.

Carter doesn’t scare me at all. Bijan does. That trade may haunt us if he reaches his potential.

Doesn’t surprise me. I’ll wait to see who we get before I’m frustrated about not getting an elite player out of this draft.

Am I allowed to roll my eyes at this pandering

Can’t have fans be upset about commercials if you just take one every break

Yeah I saw a report today that a team doc an x ray and immediately said absolutely not

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Eagles jump the Bears

Someone give me stats on whose picks they’ve gone to for commercial the last 20 years.

Gotta be Bijan. Give me Bijan or give me death.

I get wanting to have your cornerstones but by the time they fill their other 20 holes, Stroud will be injured x3 and Anderson will be demanding a trade.

1. Trade down 2. Bijan 3. (Heavy sigh) Witherspoon I think those are the only three being considered right now.

What were the terms? Elon’s toy won’t load for me in Sheila’s Palace.